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Mike Gagliano interview

Thu, 2 Apr 2009|

Mike Gagliano, FDIC 2008 keynote speaker and captain in the Seattle (WA) Fire Department, talks to Bobby Halton.



-- -- -- on the road and at the C 2008 now with Mike -- I don't know. Mike was our keynote speaker on Wednesday -- brought the house -- when I was glad solutions and he's also. It trading achievement award winner for 2008. So only count. You brought -- -- golden is he also got to be in a relay. We -- the other you know we had a -- we had a Steve up earlier so Casey's the only one who. Didn't appear so far -- did he -- apple. So tell me about your management the book and and we think it's gonna go well. It's been an amazing week thank you do you. We are amazed that a book on -- management's topic that's obviously your tears your heart. We hope that it's going to be something that's gonna be near and dear to your heart because the smoke that we've -- house killers and you know you've talked about that it -- for many many years. Everyone's talking about hydrogen cyanide I wish that was all -- Wallace. Carbon monoxide hydrogen cyanide -- formaldehyde and the list goes on and on and on. If were as a routine part of our fire operations -- this smoke. We're gonna continue to increase the cancer statistics that are killing us outside of normal -- operations. On the fire ground we know that 6070% of the folks that are dying in structure fires. If they're going repairs are probably -- -- parish because it's sixty -- that's what we're trying to attack. And talk about the -- a little as a relates to -- -- standard fourteen fours and does it doesn't parallel it is there. Things in there they're gonna help people of these standard compliant. You bet. Couple years ago people from the 1404 committee came to our class -- they came and watched. They took the stuff that we teach in our class and they went back and they fought a great battle and they argued and argued. And came out of that committee with a unanimous recommendation the first part of it being you will have an -- management program. That's no longer up to you have to have the program -- have to have it in place. By unanimous decision the NFPA committee put in their index recommendations for what that program should look like. Those three things are you will exit the ideally each before -- lower warning alarm hits so you keep that 25% -- intact. That's for firefighter emergencies only. If you hear that -- that's an indication that the emergency reserves being used. And if you hear it then becomes an immediate action -- it's something that you have to check out. And we learned this hardware in Seattle we had multiple close calls -- we had guys weren't serious trouble. They're always going off and everybody ignored it because it was a false alarm mentality they've been here and their whole career long minutes. That's the most common sound on the fire -- -- -- -- -- the -- going -- in the second -- the -- -- right immunity. Who -- -- work next to -- there's lower wrong going on for 510 minutes and fire. Everyone of us and half the time when you lower warning alarm goes off you don't even know -- -- you're so used to -- you think it's somebody else's. Then -- in the situation like the -- -- in Fort Worth. -- you're in a situation like -- example after example where the emergency reserve was needed and it was utilized for something that it was never intended to be utilized for. And now they're in trouble no time for the -- -- again -- -- -- no time to make any decisions other than. Yes it sounds good to dive head first out a window or we hunkered down so. -- use I think it's an interest thing. It's it's a huge thing that finally after this piece of technology's been in the system for. Probably forty years that people finally figured out that it fails routinely right. How many thousands of failures that we have this TVA's either through misuse through mechanical through whatever. Failures failure whether whether it's. Human -- those mechanical cause whether it's just -- through negligence failure. So without all these failures and now we're trying to decide to create programs ago that which is the finished thing. Its its interest in I guess it's not very valuable -- -- interest thing Agassi from a psychological standpoint in terms of terms of the nature of the four. You remember how many years ago we talk about hydrogen -- how many years ago where you bring in Deborah Wallace's book. To the forefront and it was slow to be listened to. The work that you they've laid the groundwork for what everyone of us is doing now in in the in the components of smoke bush searcher was. So now what we're trying to do. Is we're trying to get folks to recognize you cannot like the message and that's okay. I understand wanting to get in and be aggressive and -- everybody your -- That kind of is how we've done things. But it still is causing firefighters to die and it's not just at the fire -- it's in cancer wards across the country. We we taught him in the keynote we talked about this about leadership and about leaders caring about the firefighters and more than just a bumper sticker I love you man. That also has to. It has to show itself in how -- you have your firefighters operate. If you know for a fact that breathing smoke it's killing them and because you don't wanna be disliked -- because you wanna be viewed as not aggressive. -- continue to let them operate in that smoke with impunity. -- you're looking for trouble and the answer for firefighters rarely if -- technology. We use technology to assist what we do the -- is that piece of technology and it gave us purchase into the idea which atmosphere. That's what it does when we start throwing in things like monitors and tracking devices in and even personnel outside. Looking to see that we're okay here what's all that stuff is great. He just can't count on you can't trust on our our message is simple your -- is your responsibility we rely on -- the noodle with a firefighter every day of rainy gadget that can give. That's true froze work from -- for iris technology is not the answer. Nothing new under the sun -- athletic -- -- -- technology isn't gonna make you press the human. The human element in almost every system is what keeps the system from failing to quickly. Do right you know so -- talk about can only kind of touched a little bit they talked about for officer responsibility is a great keynote escalation rather so. Talk about what -- -- is you that -- how did you come up with that tact for keynote. -- you not talk about this we talk about a lot -- read your I read your. Editorialists again ta yeah the guy I'm on the one -- -- in the look. It's amazing to me. That firefighters. With his great job as we have agreed histories we have tradition we have. Are -- demoralized and we are hearing it everywhere we teach. Firefighters are wondering about the future of the fire service to they have place and it's something for them to do -- wondering where in the world -- fire leadership. Got trained and what books they're reading because they don't want to -- and -- feel like they're being neglected and they're not being listened to. What I wanted to do was speak to firefighters that. They need to they need to remember. Where we came from. What it what what they felt like when they got into the fire service and dreams and goals they had. Because it's being chipped away and taken from them and I think it's from a lot of areas I didn't have a lot of time to go into town and and have forty minutes -- there right could have gone -- detail. But I I think I think primarily it's it's from our leadership I think -- leadership is not casting vision. What the fire services and what it means the same vision they were given. When they came into the fire. Who is leadership in your opinion. What -- what was a -- what's a leadership will who has the leadership. I think I think leadership -- the department obviously it starts at the top but it doesn't have to I think I think leadership -- our service was the if it's over the fire service who would be the leaders like congressional -- institute. You know who moral and spiritual leader the fire services right. Because that's you brother okay. And with apple eight page on argue with -- if you don't argue -- -- keynotes that but. Look. I don't worry so much about what what is happening at the national level because they have. Larger fish to fry answer it and what we're talking about they have budgetary issues and they have major policy it's. Yeah -- I'm look at it. At the chief officers and the company officers and the informal leaders within the firehouse and that that's firefighters the drivers the twenty -- driver. They've got to impart. To the new guys and into the old are felons who have kind of lost that are getting comfortable they have to -- a vision we -- humble service oriented group. That takes care of our own. And by virtual tape turn our own we do a job for the citizens and we've got to focus on that and not on. The bumper stickers to -- so it's all yours Brothers -- yours it. But how is it reveals. -- and we -- -- -- awesome. Austin got to bring down along for this she got got to see the keynote -- didn't wet myself so -- She got this is get the award which thank you very much and -- got to watch this on a book it's great week you -- great week. -- -- and got my son sitting right over there is a person can't tell that lie anymore. -- problem for the video. And -- can we can actually move this probably like breaking all the rules. The geography. And how to reposition myself there's the book air -- for the Forest Service fire engineering. Urging books videos. Make sure you buy at this is my good friend Mike -- thinks I'm -- -- were on the road and you be careful up there.

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