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Paul Dansbach interview

Wed, 11 Mar 2009|

Paul Dansbach of the Rutherford (NJ) FIre Department, talks to Bobby Halton at FDIC 2008.

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Transcript

-- I'm Molly Haldeman we're on the road and FDIC 2008. Exciting conversation and have a the next couple moments of my good friend Paul -- inspect Paul. As you well know -- one of our technical editors on the advisory board for several years now -- and editorial review on articles from. -- company operations -- marshal's office code enforcement. -- all go to all purpose player. All of this recently participated in the activity on a new book firefighting principals weren't too which is going to be the brand new text. Out of -- well fire engineering. Which is going to be a basics -- the first basics book ever done by fire insurance publishing. And Paul's one of our contributing office been a pleasure and honor to be able to work on projects with you we really thank you -- who are to have you know Glenn Corbett was the senior. Coordinating editor going to put all the materials together. And -- what did you write on for. For the book -- wrote the chapter on building construction. We. Look at that chapter in. And -- for one and -- perspective and and really it really evolves around firefighters say the especially today more so than ever because of the way buildings are being constructed lightweight materials all the materials. And none of this is friendly for the -- serves well. Every firefighter from the from the day he starts his training. Has to begin -- education and training formal training about building construction and that has to be perpetual that can never. -- laws that person is a firefighter fire officer out there. So what makes the principles book that fire engineers but not they're different from say. -- essentials book from this though -- the basic book from slavery here the other folks are well one of the things that I've tried to do with with the building constructing chapters is to make it relevant what they do we knew we talk about construction the principles of construction but -- we talk about -- Fire's gonna spread through the -- how that relates there. Performance of their duties as a firefighter -- we talk about the indicators of collapsing and how it affects their -- -- safety and the safety of their Brothers on the fire ground. And I think. As they move forward in their career they have to go to the next step in and as we move up to be an officer they have to -- their knowledge. Based on on construction again this be perpetual war. So you -- -- pretzels -- principles book for young firefighter recruit firefighters. What it what do you expect them to be able get out of your chapter at the end of that chapter will soon become proficient in that chapter what should they be able to do. -- -- recognized the five classifications of construction. Recognized hazards. Associated with each of the classes of construction. Recognize some collapse potentials associated. With each type of construction. We do talk about new building technologies. Again relating to fire -- potential collapse potential the burn time in the buildings has been significantly reduced since the introduction of white -- Would trusses. Alternate materials -- channels. All all of this engineered product has taken out of the building. To a point where. Were arriving on scene and collapses is imminent because of the -- time. Dimensional lumber two by four to -- ten floor joist. -- -- -- fat in the building through the engineering process. They've reduce the fat they reduce cost and they're using the material. In the most efficient manner but those things -- hurt far servers because -- replaced all that mess with math and geometry assignments. It all works fine as long as -- gone wrong right. And we've been -- for me. In nowhere in that equation in the tape. The fire -- consideration shouldn't say no where in most instances they're not -- that fire into consideration when I also like photos. Looking at some of the early refuses to your work is that you talk to -- -- -- look at discuss something appears somewhere on the outside especially today. Does mean that's what's on the inside. The whole facade issue the whole how they build these Billings of for all the world view and I -- -- -- -- -- ordinary building and looks like it's cut. You know masonry walls of -- what president and I think what we're building. The designed that the designers today intentionally disguise the building to make it look one way when in fact reality is it's a wood frame building. With a brick -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Billy challenge with construction and renovations and alterations. They're taking buildings that are hundred years old and doing interior renovation -- and interior -- And replacing the floor -- -- lightweight components. You pull up to that building and you look up and -- those -- -- a hundred years all. Dimensional over here when the reality is you don't have dimensional there and how we -- -- we. Capture that information for the future generations of the -- certain somehow. From pre planning for -- Classifications of our buildings. And knowing your response there is a big part of also that's when things we talk about -- book we. We try to take the firefighter with no pun intended what from the ground up about building construction so they. There's a learning process they have to you know understand how the building is constructed. So they can understand. How millions -- connecting voids allow -- for an. And then once wires and avoids the next. He -- part of the equation. It's collapse but not to be a heretic or anything that you think someday we may have a six category and some they are actually of the -- yeah -- going to be a hybrid and you can't look at the building today without. If you really look at the flat plastic construction just about everything out there's got -- because. You've got wood frame buildings where they're adding -- you know how large stands. Using class to lightweight buildings and -- -- in some -- in which which may be code violation but it's occurring now. Now there it was ultra -- -- Z channels over and over there -- -- replacing structural steel. With a C channel -- Structural grade steel start. Again there's there's no mess that structural element and if the -- it is exposed to the fire. It's gonna fail pretty early on in that and that -- and -- Put ashore and you're still doing tons of editing for us -- -- the book is sightings yeah concentrating on the book right now and kinda go from -- over and now after after the book does have some online component there's also going to be a tremendous opportunity here to take be churning in the fire service from the cradle to the grave so to speak. Within the fire injured community which is really the serious training community Americans are -- -- -- I think the the other groups -- blossom. Just dig the graves -- tosses. Always -- with in this community and we're really proud to have you on that project certainly appreciate it probably there will fall and I got other things that dugard FDIC -- -- -- I have a great time capsule would look forward to seeing you -- -- -- -- -- -- again next year. Certainly helps we appreciate that I'm -- -- were on the road. Be careful out there.

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