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Ed Kaplan interview

Mon, 22 Dec 2008|

At FDIC 2008, Bobby Halton discusses higher education in the fire service with the National Fire Academy's Ed Kaplan.



I have welcomed on the road abolish -- -- here again live -- FDIC 2008. Thanks for join with us and -- -- got a very special from one -- -- Oldest friends in the fire service really haven't worked with for almost -- to -- years since. And started a national fire academy and I have always been huge proponents of higher education for the fire service something that. A lot of people don't understand the value of donors -- the impact of and we don't understand how easy folks like ever making -- for -- -- today. To get an education so listen for a few minutes that's gonna talk about the -- program we're gonna have a conversation about it. I think you'll be after that you see this tape sign up to get yourself. College degree which is something -- -- you know -- our service but everywhere else in your life so. Listen to this in the short talk but you're gonna get more out of this and you probably get out of anything else you do the next five minutes to your life. And it thank you for joining. And so you probably so probably -- a program to. What you tell -- that one especially stand for. First fashion perhaps one of the worst acting and some of federal government put pressure stance sort of and for years to US -- demonstration national fire academy. Has reached out to the training. And all these other constituencies. But for years we really never reached up to the fire. And merchant services degree programs and when you think about where professional developments taking place in the fire service with training and certification. And so many people like yourself went for a bachelor's and master's degree. It was time that we did that so 1998 we -- a planning meeting. Create a commission of especially which is in -- to reach out to the degree programs. And help enhance the fire service as. A profession. As well as produce. Degree candidates. And and graduates who understand. The importance of education. And how you can advance a fire department -- progressive. Fire prevention practices and risk management and in essence what you go through in training. It's all hands on stuff but once training. And everything -- trained for. Doesn't work and you have to call -- some higher order skills the critical thinking skills problem solving and analytical skills. That's with a degree programs come and so we don't look at it simply as a matter of training or education. We look at us both training and education. So -- she is helping the curriculums to kind of come together in some kind of fashion so there's a degree of consistency. Between one college program to them. Absolutely and up I like to call we're standardizing education be imagine that the day when you can go to one college in Kansas. Another college in New York. And another college in California's. And you're all picking the seems standardized. Model what we call model -- science court correctly. And there -- six core courses and and eventually there will be a theoretical. -- course setup knowledge that every when it crossed the country goes into a fire science degree. Well have under their belt and so fire departments begin hiring people don't know what they got their associates in they can go to our web page. And see that the crippling that outcomes and -- And and thanks to the fire service textbook publishers -- -- textbooks to support these courses. So rate now we have six core courses we have seven non core courses. We have three. Concentrations. And fire -- three course current concentrations of -- to mention another three course. Concentration. And fire protection engineering and that's all just that -- associates level and then to cap it -- off. Thanks to the national phone firefighters foundation we also have a lower level course called the principles of firefighter safety and survival -- also actual scores being developed. And what's great about it we're still capitalists. So while it is encouraging them but the publishers of fuel produced textbooks will be a variety of textbooks -- a variety of of course descriptions but the but the foundation will be there so that. When you get that degree and in fire science management personnel management or -- associates of our science. You'll ever will know that it is a consistent theme and that's the -- that's what separates profession. From -- from a career from a job. So and we're profession much like nursing much like law. You know -- and eventually -- I'll guarantee you that within. Only a short time we'll have Ph.D. candidates in fire science and fire behavior -- our organization. Well in fact. That is exactly the point. If you ever heard doctor O'Neill is superintendent national eye candy academy -- his presentation about what -- become a profession. You -- a nurse a lawyer a doctor -- any any of those professions. What did it what did you what classes did you take when he went to college and we'll tell you pretty much the same thing if -- -- it took constitutional law tort reform. For tort -- all those things and yet ask fire chief -- what -- it take -- to become a fire chief and went to class -- -- take college. You know you're gonna get -- answers are all over the map but five and ten years -- house com which is about this curriculum. I don't know the answer will be the same yes -- took building construction and don't mind social security and it took these courses departures -- -- -- hopefully the same answer. And I remember the next twenty some years and and its office back you know when this was this is a dream and how to -- to go to school now let's hear. Now what's really happening in and this is the beginning of -- of the the men and women out there who listened to us right now. Get in now be part of how this is gonna rule won't be part of this. Really the birth of our professional development side of of our industry. And you know my hat's off to you for you've done it works in an expert at national fire academy how can folks what's the website just -- national fire academy had higher education or. Yeah actually it. And if fact we just overhaul the web page just on Friday when alive and there's all kinds of new information one of the peninsula calling attention to obvious that. We -- no longer looking just -- higher education. Because this -- said earlier -- -- training and certification which really in this NC three pillars of professional development departments and services. So one of the things -- want to say is that. We have now national professional development model it's what I call real it was standardized and professional development and I would just frame -- as interoperability. For professional development just like radios and -- need to connect and work together. So that are so -- education training certification. So they're coming together and we're trying to do is so that you minimize cement -- to -- class. So for example after a training course and -- -- -- so one certification. The want to you have to take the college levels of fire office of course we knew it and if so one -- So trying to minimize implications of after. And so when you go to our home page look at via professional development model. And the national professional development matrix we're reaching the point where around stay. There will be one sheet of music and I mean all those who who provide training certification. And education -- -- the scene. Information. Based on competencies. And its its its competency based approach professional development -- -- like get to this competency well get -- training. Education and for that matter of fact -- certification is a job -- -- apartment lines up there competency. You've achieved that competence is aware. We're trying to just basically standardized education. And professional development so that next time 22 years from now in our our success sitting there trying to figure out. What are we go they won't after the gonna say what was the problems -- -- thirty years ago well this is this is often not so far from the future enough. For -- mostly contracts there's bonuses there's union money available there's all kinds of money get -- education so. What we need you to do now is go to FEMA website click on the national fire academy go to higher education take a look at it. You know it -- it's money well spent. It's it's probably the best investment in your life you can make because the fire service is about learning it is about training does not continuous improvement. And because a man like -- Kaplan doctor O'Neill and and many other greats that are pushing us forward in this arena. Things are getting better faster and it's only -- -- better things and and better firefighting in the future so from -- -- we were on the road much involved careful out there. And thanks.

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