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Ray McCormack interview

Tue, 18 Mar 2008|

Chief Halton talks with Captain Ray McCormack of the Fire Department of New York about Ray's overwhelmingly popular FDIC classes and his training work around the country.



I am welcome on the road -- -- home. And this is live from FDIC 2007. So -- I'm really pleased that got a good friend of ours -- at the season got cavalry McCormack -- and why. And ray's been teaching at the IC for about seven years every class is always sold out so you haven't been able to get into all. -- gonna talk about some of the some of the highlights the class distinction here as well placed around the country this is the only place. The rate teaches -- does a couple benefits every year where he raises money for widows and orphans funds for the and he -- foundation. And for several very important charitable groups have never had a chance to see you -- McCormick teach your -- -- very important part of -- fire education. Ray is a top notch -- -- great gentleman by an officer from the F inland really privileged and proud to have you part of the of the I see him. They welcome to on the road my pleasure to be here thank you going into don't know it's -- true you know Reagan. It really does some great stuff -- -- the classes last year. That was for -- Fredericks that you teach an upstate New York was able to get there. We had a conflict but right -- a lot of that that's more hands on stuff threat to -- right right exactly -- -- are you doing mine boss and you were doing. I did two classes this this FDIC lined walls -- -- premiered last year to show. And then this time they did -- areas the dirty dozen. Which is an important class and it was sold out people couldn't get -- so there's definitely some interest in that. I think -- -- took a second line bust last year and bustle of about one plus what what guys see in line Boston. And what his limelight as mine understand what Limbaugh's -- well senator. Right exactly you're in charge of the -- line. And basically is a little bit on leadership basically just leadership on the fire ground not in the fire station -- any place else. We're really counts on the fire. And we talk about the decision making process -- -- -- to go through. What type of lying to stretch -- -- stretch it and had extinguish the fire in private dwellings multiple lines commercial and iris. You're that was strictly last year of seven you were talking about -- -- -- project -- connect mentality almost work. And the only -- come off the truck is that -- -- recorder correct and you had some great examples. Of why that's a bad idea and how to get out of that -- we've talked a little bit about that. Won't get I'm seeing some feedback from. People that attend -- conference that a lot of departments or at least looking to him finish line. For higher flows for bigger fires. And this way at least we we -- attacking the fire with. The potential blown out. Otherwise property losses -- if you don't have the right well. So but that's just the mindset people are afraid to use it return to get the message out there that it can be user -- even for this short -- departments. Really yeah and then. So a lot of -- the assumption always is that sort of -- so much -- -- that's correct there but there are some techniques that she. On how to use it and usually when -- -- we do with segments exclusively on the hose line. Just to get people away from that fear of using -- I think once they overcome that and train on it drove it occasionally. They get better and it's. Very easy and it and that's the secret is -- it's -- true it's repetitive. It's getting that line off you know. And I used to joke that now worker he was allowed people to -- off and it would go at a right angle of retreating figure -- whole -- Actually. You gotta get off -- the photos so definitely guys understand it's it was not meant to sit in the bed if -- not -- on and off of fires every day. Should pull it off every day we keep those of supple and and keep the -- -- -- and also. My presentation -- talk about. The fear of drilling there actually there is like this little bit of fear of Joey -- engine that we're gonna stretch of -- of -- -- water it ever gonna get a call. Well unfortunately you do have to take that risk. You know if you bring extra goes out with you that's -- just leave it there -- canals along with -- going to call but you definitely have to train. If they -- war the Afghanistan war. -- trailer though he had just netbook style. -- ago. The the other issues remote from watching. Line boss you you did talk about leadership and when I thought it was a party and reassess last serious if you can -- on the fire ground. The rest it just comes natural. Yeah I believe -- to be true vibrant is the real test for and offices -- two ways about it. Your results that -- -- to see there's really no excuse you know it's a little too -- unfortunately engine doesn't have that excuse to fall back on. The incident -- is looking for results and you have to give it. I think that's very important and we we always joke -- truck -- -- engine guys joke with one another about books what units were important but if you think about it. There's 30000 fire departments in America and of that I'll bet -- there's about 90% don't have trucks that's fair. There's still far apartments. Of the -- -- -- to get done the engine the illusion is what really you know without water truck guys are just -- Highly trained spectators. And very. And I was on a truck to another the first guy when it comes. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- cover and in -- boss. -- wind -- class -- the different ways to stretch cover a lot of different it's types of stretches for. Multiple dwellings really because that's where the variety -- stretching. And then -- -- also the commercial buildings. That's where we get into -- to him -- line. And how to stretch it and I trying to give them a user friendly way to do it but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet construction. Leo I remember years ago when you're talking about this goes back to -- -- -- boss -- was teaching had to be back. -- 2002. Sentinel -- your classes and when I went back to Albuquerque it's -- guys were not on it. Two would have finished its record more still in of the -- that's called commercial host and that's called residential. And and they still do it today and that. Has helped them out. There was little commercial fire -- that residential line it that are gonna waste paper basket on exactly it's you know and puts that fiction and it's commercial. Presidential line so national office it's great hit seven years ago makes sense it's worked out really well it was generally well. So talk about the dirty -- talk about some of the mistakes. People make it at the -- -- that was a new program I came up with. And because of the line of duty -- and numerous injuries that occurred. Five -- were working engine companies. You would think that possibly the nozzle. Firefighter would be actually the safest position on -- you -- the water you have the ability for four but we still have five cars being injured and killed. In engine companies come from fire basically. But a lot of it and the mistakes the errors that -- Start rookie school. An -- always -- -- the incident command. And a lot of it is some of the things -- just discuss a few. I feel like a lack of standard operating procedures -- a lot of free -- and people don't know what to do was lot of time wasted when I get that line in their stress is we can't get enough fire. Some of the other things that people still do which are important unbelievable is that. They'll stretch drive lines into buildings or give -- with parameters for what's the fire area. A lot of it is basic but what. If we don't take care little things and -- on the little things shocking doors things like that. You know so. The program was designed to point out. -- reasons why people get injured and killed five runs and to just give the help you might need to change. You know when you talk about problems like that. There's the problem that I see it and again -- -- through it years ago is they get away with stuff. You know they get away with Jordan with a dry line they think they're moving faster and I think what. They think that it's gonna work all the time and someday they gonna pass fire. And find themselves in the world her release the touch on some -- -- -- and I kind of taken all of those tidbits that you had and you put them together. -- talk about that when we do. Actual hands on training with the hose -- I see a lot of quote sloppy and you work truck and in this program I talked about the importance of five vacuum -- was. Basically if -- flowing water and you don't need any help you probably not forward the good war. That's important as well so most people don't talk about that position that back -- five we discussed the importance of that and actually do it. A lot of slides on just how to hold and console will different ways they see people hold -- that are incorrect. Incident behind them yeah -- just -- and give -- heads up on this is the way you really should do it as opposed to some of the things -- and and told the reasons why. And unfortunately what happens is that it's what these things in the academy from people who. Are giving them bad information so -- trying to get them out there. On it's important stuff and then ray right so and be -- for us all the time so you you know a lot of the stuff you cover your articles which should we really appreciate. -- -- -- -- -- -- I'm gonna do a Iranian pipeline for well hole stretch which we do and multiple belongs -- -- -- and get the lineup this faster. And also gonna do the -- -- -- an article was well for the people weren't conference. You and I go back -- ways and we all. Understand what happened in new York and how it's affected department in this talk with a lot of the officers guys like yourself. I know we're getting great guys and young guys yes and do you find yourself that a lot more training now because of the younger news -- somebody younger fellows on the job and you find yourself. Spend more time -- drill more time. With your men. Yes we do we do is go two ways about it. If you walk into place -- as a senior pro. If you're gonna drill but the fundamentals. Maybe don't have -- -- -- is as often. But the young young -- parties actually give wolf this is an opportunity to draw. If you will if you mean excuse there it is okay we got featuring. But I think you need to develop a culture of this -- -- -- -- things he doesn't doesn't train -- for three hours at a collapsed. It gives us something. There are 45 minutes whatever it is we go out trying to make it as realistic as possible going to -- different at a table -- -- -- to people can do that and Iran who. Get out there -- Warner. Have some fun run everybody through it and go back in -- -- -- Her life but I don't see you read a lot of books -- people don't just not your style now you know you were things that's great -- -- -- in the classroom you really. Come to life every time -- heard you talk you talk about this fire that fire you know and you were there and you know and and you just really seem to be able to take it down to. I learned tons. She told a hundred times a much -- -- -- classes -- You know that the amount of knowledge that you have when Europe from the group. -- do you arrogant people with a calculator like I did that and -- -- okay and it I think for guys like you. A lot of what you have is automatic in the back here and and we're happy that when you -- it's that we can. Read it through him -- -- tell you we love avenue here and one of the things I've asked rated do. Is to think about a video series so I know we're talking about that we're gonna get rid actually. Get together with some his guys -- -- -- camera folks. He's gonna do a couple of quick drills and get stuff out there there's a lot of what you talk about I think for. Guys inside the FDNY and and you in particular. We're so familiar with the equipment so familiar with the stretches so familiar with the work. Forget the for a lot of volunteer companies lovely guys out there. Yes slow it down just a little bit you know. Were talking to a cable in day out neutral field area -- assistant. -- was full stretch the -- that it some -- and oppose it turns reset our chief all of those were. Yeah I know we're so I was close are we talking about that's who the -- and -- and -- -- yeah. And yeah you see kids get to the door on him with -- -- don't want to the other all the rest of it -- Exactly that's I think what the hapless on the tour have problems mean you know they have all the hoses charged in the street. Some opponents of the buildings and interest in -- definitely. It's gifting of course is an issue but we talk about staffing and engineers. I. If we don't have enough people what we have more people on scene. That the into the community that has the delegate those people to -- -- -- priority one for the most part most prisoners fires. But you right even nomenclature. Buddy Myers sent an email I was talking about your Kennedys doing there and I called that the bucks the host -- -- he said the bag said he talked about the call going Asomugha. There yeah -- you know. -- AM -- be right I have to -- a little generic you know day Monica got a slowdown sometimes you get ahead he's so used to your system that's correct. It's -- you know and if it weren't so we take your classes at its screen and and I think you're I think you're the best engine and out there appreciate -- wrong if stuff is it eases it some of that stuff so what do you see happen. Overall with engine work towards the future just look at this new engine being -- down here about -- company. Very actually stuff and in really actually stuff in terms of shorter wheelbase. Hydraulics. Are we getting better with our engine work week. -- stuff -- this is common uses this I think is is -- -- -- -- -- interest. In the engine company. The role might have gotten lost a little bit you know. You know how things are -- one decade it's the rescue. The back to basics approach to let's just get the fire out -- leakage in -- primary. I see that I see a lot of people. Gonna talk to around the country. Changing their holes may be buying different nozzles. So that the message is getting out there and FDIC and for our engineering are definitely the vehicle it's pushing. So. It's easy to push button YouTube remove -- to a fire -- water you know if you can't get it on the fire and you're from just. You're just there to observe. You know -- But it's interesting to me you soc has come down the road -- -- was gonna say this is a great tool it's -- applications. But still I think the number one tool for me and so is volumes of water. What lines of war you can break any event my experience and the home run. Much -- -- yes folks and it's got tremendous tool. -- loss void spaces. You know tremendous tool -- stylized violence in large. Volume fires haven't talked to anybody who's you know -- Andrew flame -- It was talked about that. You know I talked about that in the -- portion. About the ventilation and how important it is to not to it just on a walk it has to be coordinated through two ways about that. These he release rates and you -- these big fires especially when -- making these hallways and if you have. Accord or that's got a good wind behind it you -- lose your you go let it burn out. Definitely kid I mean we've had multiple fires in New York where. 22 or 32 and a -- -- lines are not making little amplifier sound great perfect example for grid engine companies. Two solid lines nobody was more but now it's just you just can't. We had a a fire just recently and we had been looking -- empire operation. So we made a few minor adjustments that and turned -- they had a fire. They -- short staffed getting up on fire four and two guys stretch the whole line basically. And put it out -- the wind was blowing the wrong direct the right direction actually. And is fired program for windows but wanted to firefighter said to me so Lou what drilling we did last -- -- -- really paid off. So sometimes you get that -- added benefit. While you you -- literally areas thought about. Haven't people freelancing -- win races that. For folks out there -- -- and why the FDNY every position has a job at every job. And we got away from that probably the early eighties. When whole command in and you talked about it cyclical stuff we at the command romance -- -- written romance we have the truck romance should. Hopefully we'll get back the engine romance. Because you're right riding positions and lot of houses. Are relevant is that -- The that's the way it works a real far you have to know your job is doing your job and it was uninteresting because Bruce -- -- last night said that. Chief Fresenius said we lost. -- tactical focus back you know thirty years ago. And -- -- and I had discussed with two years ago and I think it's you know we have guys like himself and his new. Got the leader of the command deal I think there's hope for -- that engine work is gonna come back and people gonna get that structure. That lack of structure I think it's -- and trouble fire. Very -- there's plenty of structure available from the engine. You know. From knowing your personnel -- who you think should be in certain positions. Applying those positions and the tasks that are associated with those positions. You have accountability now. If you if you don't know who's supposed to be doing some -- go back to and can correct -- with -- -- know who's. Third personalized home from the -- into the building. There's nobody there are I don't know who it is gonna talk to about that so I agree hopefully the -- Renaissance -- story. Well we're hoping you'll do it wrong I'll lead the way America you have any of the tree coming up for the New Yorkers who you talk about you get everything Omaha for the two on Casanova. Known -- -- trying. Run a benefit seminar I believe in the fall we'll have to see how that goes. The last word games for the national -- firefighters foundation. And we just pick a charity. And get some speakers. Usually people that speak here and they more than happy to come and do it and it's always for a great cause -- -- true. Great thank you for being on the road unless we appreciate -- you're gonna see a lot Marie McCormick in the future he's agreed to allow us to do some videos and he's right in for -- extensively now. Probably the leading guy friends who work in the country today and great -- of FBI's. Thank you for shared some time with us this is on the road Bobby --

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