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Alan Brunacini interview

Tue, 29 Jul 2008|

At the Baggers meeting in Oklahoma, Bobby Halton talks to Phoenix (AZ) Fire Department Chief (Ret.) Alan Brunacini.



I welcome -- on the road about it on the we're here in Tulsa Oklahoma and on -- -- of crunchy -- receiving. And she thanks first -- performances against everybody out there that wants to know. What's -- doing these days ago and what new projects that somehow we know that -- it was just a release have a landmark book. I neck so -- I'm sure a lot of it has no matter all that and it's a book that -- who -- on this book for probably. It ten -- in a long time now look at stories you know. But this experiences and right and personal debt came out you know it's good it's always gonna read it -- -- don't -- think -- different chapters for him. And he changed the titles. But with that. Conversion it was fun in the sun in the old -- so -- that he cleaned it up a little. Editorial stuff that that that those who don't know the cheapest three children nick John Candy off firefighters while working in the Phoenix area. Can't can you find Allen and John retired from Phoenix and next they'll there's potentially an excellent just published. The book called -- shift -- memoirs of fire fighter. So you know what Google it looked for -- great read very funny very insightful fact it's available on. Beach after dot com -- gonna you're gonna be -- got a gun store on there you can expect a copy -- assurance it's going to do but be sure -- dot com get next book you a lot of money on phone book stuff. So we're gonna do it yourself. Still. Kitchen and talk and then get around the country listen to firefighters and still riding bikes and we've enjoyed doing the back page which has been. Still working on the blue card has his own management command system and that's been. Another another good project I think it's. But that's really got its wheels because we've got Brian Crandall -- went. Went and it. What they're doing -- card and you've got guys like -- Gottfried down in the South Florida duke blue card. And everybody in between guys and New Mexico -- doing. But it's almost -- I think is what we're I think. Is interest thing about that is that people are being forced to doing that they're doing it. Now and its grassroots and I think it connects in a very natural way to what they do every day and we're just local hazard zone management. The command operations that we use to somehow. Create both effectiveness and safety with the regular responses that we that we that we are involved -- Single family residences bowl commercials the MS stuff we do and intersections -- cars that disagree. They're just the basic stuff that we do every day I mean it's -- you know have a thousand house fires that they have in America and we use got -- The same command system right if it's it's not the beltway bombers and you know it's not Armageddon. It's it's what we do for eleven -- Every every day at the end of it kind of when you look at the escalation of it it hit it provides kind of attempt put to get into a tight three. There was we've all just naturally into attacked three event that could go -- to -- -- -- if you needed it but. So it's kind of -- from the bottom up rather than from the top down and connects to the top of that its its -- compliant and all the other kinds of things I think that's important I think you said several years ago -- -- -- -- you want and other guys are gonna. -- -- the big one. How they behave and every day what's -- what's -- what's the what's the standard behavior what's the standard procedures reserving connected. It's the old one -- elephant. One. Is better start at the table in the -- but yeah and you get Ahold of it here. -- heard him in the -- just a little -- side which is funny you look at what Darwin award goes to what they give -- that if the students would get yourself killed him. Was again a -- animates -- it -- the development. And was buried beneath. Through 200 pounds of -- -- -- gentlemen and never get an amendment to an elephant. Communities of -- card -- and his. Commitment to Israel now that I think it's usually you know -- also we talk about blue card. -- -- and and training firefighters. And you've been doing simulations forever. -- training centers the first one obviously in Phoenix Arizona has grown into -- just -- national phenomenon. We don't that today what what's happening. What -- what are you involved and when you see that go well that. That I think the command center. Training concept has has. People who connected to it and is used -- started takeoff. You helped -- put together CTC meeting and FDIC this year than a hundred people. We kind of wondered -- -- you know walking now Austin I wonder if anybody's show up -- community unit had a strikeout but we -- a hundred people wherever really a great discussion there for 23 hours. We're we're bringing up and and probably cross connect with you all. Some some web its its its electronic connection between that the CTC's. On be shipped through that where where we'll show that CT Cesar place. Probably have a form where people can -- -- they need help for direction or information or they got a story to tell. But just to try to energize the CPC. Connection among the people who were interested in doing so it's really pretty simple but there's a lot of interest -- that -- the kind of medium fidelity simulation is it really help us but we're gonna have to do that mystery I mean it's a real practical kind of thing. -- you know things you know his laugh about it is if we go back in time how we re name things -- change things I think one of the things we really learned about mentoring services. One of the key points is learning tactics. It gives the young officer chance to see how tactics and -- -- on the fire ground. And how it doesn't need to be and he doesn't lead to see is that -- -- C need to happen together to create a word. -- that -- might be you know ventilated may be rescue it may be extinguishment. But it's it it's a group of procedures that -- -- tactic. That accomplish a strategy used that strategy may be you know additional building to make it -- ever. For top floor fire may be tons of revelation because so punishing there. But what would do what was really great policy is that. You know so many people focused on just the command guy doing his thing but it really. I think what we really -- doing them the last several years as the tactical another that the the third the fourth two people in those revolutions in those simulations. Hadn't. Are surprised by the amount of involvement. Because -- it's not just saying to do something you have to you have to do it. Based on that. There's that tactical reality. We've started to develop tactical -- plates for standard building types. Which it seems -- -- really helpful to people. The say that he here is kind of a standard routine obviously you can plug local characteristics in the way they operate and so -- In so those those those -- -- disorder provide direction that creates that connection. The same -- we were commanding so that we can. Support and somehow continue the tactics that -- the tactical objectives of me. We don't want command for the sake commanding exactly where we don't put a fire company and we put -- -- -- tactics but we've never really -- complicated. Even a fairly a fairly complicated event. No it's it's impossible for us to coordinate and connect. The correct tactics if we don't have command system in place of its interest in this -- it was the way they sort of bump indeed. Other sorts of functions -- command principles of tactics and then maybe the fundamentals of tasks there's going to be. Is coming layers of appeal that this onion that's innocent people get a better handle that that creates the tactics of tactics. -- here's here's kind of -- tactical. Principles or rules or whatever. But how do we sort of organize and manage that so that's kind of again in 2000 funny when you say it but there's a tactics to the tactics what -- the tactics to -- Where do you watch experienced incident commanders local incident commanders. And they -- tactics that they use it doing their job. The waited they they manage their their tools it was tactical worksheets radios aids command teams. They use them that their pain points system neighbors absolutely. It and and there's tactics to the way that you see those experienced characters really doing their jobs -- mean it's a really practical. Part of what we do. It was -- we were having a discussion here this. This is -- batters about the Israelis and how they have identified. The bad guys have ten. Modes of operation against the bad cops and caught that ten. Scenarios they're -- -- they could it -- a local. Fire officer could have local firefighter look in his community and say we've got ten and basic jobs did you know and then boil it down to world how to respond this this this whether it's churches schools. Single family multifamily. Start looking. Or say there are -- situations. That are even ahead of that. To say that. You you have you have fires in public places you bars and concealed spaces. You have physical rescue kinds of challenges and got another emergency agency that now gonna superimpose those -- On single families commercials big boxes -- zones multiple taxes insurance and so it's interesting when you put all -- together. But I think a big part of of the strength of blue card. Is it uses local SOPs. -- -- when you commit when you sit around as the blue cards student you're gonna use your system. And the details in dynamics of that system in your language -- -- language and it nobody if if you want. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- you need to understand that so it. If you're against our team let me say that -- -- cosmic twinkies here when you go to the show -- -- -- divisions and groups have a nice day. And here if you're smart enough to -- -- -- working your smart enough to be able to do that. And they were sitting in Tulsa Oklahoma. The breadbasket of America moralists who in the it and cancels the buckle of the country's Shiite cult of the Bible Belt that I don't buckle up and get it was it shouldn't -- And I showed everybody the brilliance -- -- Roberts and picked up I got my breath and but it but I had to go to the bathroom and I was kind of hoping it would Obama but let's -- it -- -- the Soviet. I don't know anything about some votes but I'm sure there's a term for that cannot walk around the top of a silo. I have doesn't have a big a problem isn't it silo fire -- yeah but the problem is open ended commitment to seek asylum fires -- -- -- to go to the the catwalk sector -- and -- revenue or whatever it is that I don't know monitors. I think sometimes we obsess over. If things that that really have little or no. Value we just. I just went to a rant on the fact that I just found out that some people are upset about -- -- -- -- May Day which to me this is. I just can't imagine expending energy on something that and -- So Obama's words there's local words that work for the locals. Why -- we respectful of that and say you use those words that work -- -- -- -- fit into our system. Accommodates that and actually. Connects to that. He's ineffective way -- my iBook from the South Bronx and my mom would say do you that. If you're in California I think some historic finish action. And don't edit that out guys like that stuff I only heard that you know being that we're gonna leave that -- intentionally because. That's the kind low budget deal put enough for Georgia's two guys. Czar -- rip off of Meet the Press. -- today that you might decide -- me the depressed. There's something neighborhood -- I just don't. Mickey bipolar but I don't -- throughout -- press thought that's high -- -- that was still felt markets I wanna keep that. So -- the book coming out from me from Johnson and that you rather and and all other work you're doing and teach and train -- thank you -- been writing that page for us. -- rules of engagement. Which I which I love them. What she did. It's technically a little truck. But you know we're we're restoring the 52 Mac it is just about finished its -- painted and and we got a little bit -- -- -- and then to look look at look -- we're -- -- -- for ya know it's that it's a work of art work. 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We'll put that Devlin expected to -- -- out of that -- -- apparatus of Russia here because you stayed busy in an independent. For and I appreciate everything you do for us -- it's funny how these guys have. Boston my best -- in Arizona was revised -- a person. This is -- -- -- were on the road also Oklahoma and be careful up.