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NFPA 1403 discussion

Tue, 18 Mar 2008|

At FDIC 2007, Bobby Halton discusses live fire training with Greg Fisher and other instructors from the Illinois Fire Service Institute.



I welcome to on the road -- -- we're live from FDIC 2007. Got a few more friends with us here from these 143. -- structure burned plus reciprocal class. The tragedy that occurred Baltimore well that's a way. Getting back in our history. Of fourteen through deductible there tragic fire -- -- -- two firefighters. Possible to that we've created the fourteen threes standard. Which is how we're supposed to do life archery. Occasionally we get outside of that standard. Sometimes with tragic results. Classes put on your -- -- crew from you our services institute. Is the state of the art. In the interpretation of 143. And how to go even above and beyond that to create an absolutely safe -- -- is as -- as we possibly make it. Our environment. In the -- structure very happy to have ray and Brian here with us today. And -- from the 1403 class welcome to on the road guys thanks for us we appreciate your hard work this week Klesko rave reviews as always. And were very very proud that cluster. As -- as everybody knows and put it right it's from editorials. I think the 1403 is the only way to do fire. And I also believe that fourteen threes just the beginning you guys proven -- -- do. Social -- this here this week and so your thoughts on fourteen with real live fire training. Well -- -- our students' class Virginia institute Judy high class. Started last off. Explained unfortunately standard. And how we can platform you know obviously you can do realistic challenging thing structural. Every -- countries and there it just comes out march. Structure. And -- Him on. -- second. This -- this class we have them. Conduct drills. And ask us stuff we supervisors and well there's there's. Well things that we've seen. -- years occurred and it. Addressed to me just compliant fuel. And part of our first day activities we bring this -- together and showing the difference between a complaint fuel lone enemy -- fuel and it dynamic different to. Hopefully to drive on the -- and we we need to maintain error. Adherence to stand. When you're talking -- fuel load people should not mistake that for combustible fuels. Flammable fuels that's -- what we're talking about. Once you give a little better example about what a fuel motives right. -- -- use of measured amount of materials we use -- and straw five palettes. And we -- -- of the students that this is an example you know this is the framework for what you wanna do what we can predict what's gonna happen with this material. Against the structure that -- -- end up paying attention to that we don't get out of hand when you start bringing in things that shouldn't be there like furniture carpeting. In our demonstration of non -- material they see just how fast it gets out of hand him without even having to speak -- -- of them. -- Why why is the materials -- -- what -- the properties of those materials you just mentioned. Mattresses. Furniture why are they non compliant versus strong. One of the components. Is that they have until burning them. And we really are experienced or palace sprawling apartment hates him at. Components that were not sure -- hey don't want secondly they include. Told him. Give up a lot of money and create great that last -- is very difficult as instructors handle keep control people. We feel that. It's imperative for our students to a -- -- comparison of different types you'll. Understand why. You something about it. -- then what else besides fuel loads have you. What do you teach students and selecting structure -- what's the process there. That's actually good question because lot of fire departments have people coming up to them wanted to get properties in the first impulses -- take it no matter what. We wanna go to complacency do we really want to be here is -- infested with critters and -- and whatnot. Is the structure -- about should we be in this place at all so before you begin. Sometimes a good deal that's that's always a good deal that we've I don't know -- of the houses we've trained and here we have to actually -- terrorists have been safe enough to train. We won't go into place for the fourth floor -- falling down -- its dividend it's not a safe environment and it doesn't serve our purpose so. That's sort of one of the beginnings -- Make sure that where you wanna do this thing is -- be safe for -- people. They removed brushed we cut the grass -- we -- receive training area. The -- appreciation from the students when they see this effort. I asked a group as -- how many if -- -- -- one of these before on Saturday morning in your commitment you just -- all day. Yes that's department if you've done the work -- visited here the last -- to make it right. Basically have no idea this is what it took to make -- -- for us to train. Now we've talked about taking care of the exterior of the house talking about and ensure that we can clear enough for round of the safe environment. What about the structure itself what what goes on inside. -- -- begins to look -- structure this is they had a -- for fourteen authoring. Well in some cases up. The condition farmhouse. The type of construction balloon instructor owns an example. If -- -- -- property again and you have some folks involved or brokerage a lot of times the very things that make the house solid house. They going to retreat and we literally and it. Rebuild stairways and Truman so we're so we no longer no more. Say to exit that. What training and other structures that do want to come through art classes to anticipate what we'll have technical -- house understanding by the behavior building construction and what we're gonna do training objectives. And and correct time. Removal. And he. Possible -- from inside -- house. We make sure that stairwells and dwindled in the doorways and -- that's us. And make -- -- trading environment so that we can have a good thing session. What do you do with the students themselves what's the minimum requirements that you guys require -- didn't. Before you won't participate -- -- your 143 compliant. Britain's oldest and clearly states that there hasn't been minimal level of training prior to -- about -- -- -- -- -- -- And we all of that class sure that our students have a level level thing. In addition to that -- just starting out drills we take all this is a is class and run them through a series of drills that the SE VA. -- handling. And some -- -- that we have a comfort level with them performs. You know it's. Again. An open class -- we encouraged the folks that participated are are actually instructors. -- This year we had a tremendous. Response would have probably ninety -- -- both plants are her instructors and her story or having your ticket. And it made clips go much much better they understood what we were getting this is in the class about burning just. Burning actually fired her profits class. And not. They're learning how to do it right and make sure. All the -- -- instructors and students alike. What's the goal what what's the objective of -- class like 143 what are you trying to -- It's a very valuable. Resource in terms of training for training officers and instructors to teach our people. It's to correct news structural fires. And what we want them to come away with is an understanding that they can't -- things. -- there's a value to that dream and it's not. -- achievable evolved -- is just standard hand and conducted. This -- -- little daunting when you first start to break it down and has promised to be required and there's things need to be removed. It was a few of the things that need to come out of every house before we -- Cylinders. Vessels of all kinds depending on agent you may have fuel levels later have to be removed or rendered safe war here water pressure tanks. That's standard household chemicals that get left when when people and courier where every now and then. Curbing any immaterial combustible all feminists -- factors anything. Would contribute to -- -- needs to be removed. So we don't have access points. All of those materials we talked about earlier that are non -- fuels that pre exists need to come ask me to come out. So what's the objective of live fire training wise is valuable why should we do it. You know like you -- just get experience on the job. I think Bryant right out earlier today comparing him. Do we do we train with -- -- -- environment in the classroom to retrain trench rescue without digging a trench. It just cannot -- -- It's. Train that is very difficult to be able to make -- jump from simulation -- real life. We're expecting our firefighters and fire officers to make good decisions get us out I don't decisions. And the fact of the matter is that we have very few are -- duties being -- Aren't as many fires we don't have as many experiences for them to drop. So what felt like -- thing. That are subject to what you read a book or what -- want to video sometimes it just isn't someone shore resources and. It's just you know confront him with Sony console -- -- can tell -- fifty ways to kiss the girls never had a day. Let's say you don't wanna be a consultant on fire around you you wanna be an active participant. Going gettin'. Ready at any thoughts about life I wanna share before -- You know this this class I almost feel at times that I I sometimes take on the role of a preacher because we're preaching a conversion here. You know -- -- on the business for 29 years now. This is not crow laws when it began you know anything that was flammable or combustible that you could throw -- -- house to make a Big -- was what the guys are looking for. But to show -- the true value of what we've done here. We have a student is here that -- the third time he's attended this class and when he first came he was dead set against everything we had to say let us know what. And in the second round he started to begin to come around. At the end of the day Tuesday he -- -- -- -- -- -- since you guys have been right. It took that long for me to get my mind references you're right this make sense. Although -- -- stripped all that garbage Mimi -- out made me mad. But I finally come to realize that we can't do this right and protect partners that we don't -- the -- you've been showing us. And if there's no greater satisfaction -- it it was a measurable and this is a guy who's the leader in his state he's a good man it just. Took them awhile to -- around. There was a fellow came up to me after class -- for years I've been playing with fire. And now I know how to work correctly with. Which I thought was the highest compliment the I think that the state of Florida has an -- fourteen to three as the law I think that's a good move I think that's something that we should encourage. Just obvious standard is important. The absence of -- standard allows people to go places that and remember the standards only important if you decide to live by it. So we're hoping that that this catches on. We know you guys -- gonna be back again next year is. It's a standing class we do tell folks that if you're gonna try to take 1403. Register early. Does it fills what's your maximum limit Greg for the class. We we've asked for or for fifty. And we can we can probably to rebuild it two. Well again we want to maintain it forever student directory issue you know they're going to be right -- your old self we've got to have a show to make things. All 4000 some odd people over the two days ran through those evolution so he wanted for the lucky fifty. You sign up now -- dividend is the 1403 compliant per class it's senator Gregg Fisher -- Brian thank you so much for being on the road with us today and ending -- we'll see again next time down the road.

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