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John Norman Interview 2

Tue, 1 Mar 2011|

Bobby Halton talks to Tom Brennan Lifetime Achievement Award Winner John Norman of the FDNY.



I was -- -- in Tulsa Oklahoma at the headquarters fire -- magazine. With our good friend chief John Norman well actually should -- that it's -- the official -- 500 magazine that's back in New -- -- But it's where I live I live in Tulsa Oklahoma. So America our good -- chief Norman -- talk a little bit about the -- most recent book fire department's special operations. Was. Why did you -- special ops and who who should be interest and special ops. Well. I -- special operations. At the request the -- while because. Ray Downey was no longer with us my. My great. Hero and it was my boss whose -- for it was my for an. His book the rescue company. What -- nearing eighteen years old. And the world had changed since it have been written that the events of eleventh. And folks have -- well recognized the need to kind of filled the gap. That -- had started. Eighteen years ago. To -- So our approach it originally woo going to do basically just an -- Of the rescue company. And it turned into a whole separate project from him to what we see here with -- -- -- -- operations. I just because it isn't just the rescue company anymore existed. The world who's kind of changed their them and what its rescue boots -- it's terrorism. And the fire department special operations people the ones that do all of those missions. So it was really expanded. To include all those fields and look at the various ways to provided. Get an F ten -- eleven. The federal. Stimulus over the federal input the Homeland Security -- and so on. Many departments have created. Heavy rescue units short circuit rescue task forces. Obviously the federal you saw those forces have gotten. So much press coverage. That. There is no one -- -- -- -- -- -- was an attempt to. Explain to people -- are maybe just getting into heavy rescue -- have a whole lot of experience. Or or any of the other fields OK here are some. The pitfalls that we've been through. Different ways to -- -- the service. Try to help. The -- service -- its way through what is still a new field for many many parts of the country. And and a lot of people have adopted the squad concept -- the engines -- -- carrying. You know we started engines -- engines and was that we've we've put water on fire and I was pretty straightforward stuff. It's much more complicated. Response that it is you as you and it's speaking to and I think that's a good. That that the the level of capability that we're getting in today's firefighter. To absorb and to process and to be -- capable and competent. Is amazed you know I left view room who left him a little bit about the the company officer's -- of tactics earlier because I think that firefighter should read -- I think it's a must read. I think is a must read and pro B school. But this book also we -- officer of the some street. Don't care for -- my -- from my good friends and Clay County. Indiana under the bus -- Clay County there are smaller organization and they that 67 men. But they -- a lot of rescue work up there if you -- to college campus or or and he kind of manufacturing. And we all do even if you've got. We talk about rescued if you're -- formally communities the machinery that silos. All let's specialized rescue. Yeah absolutely. One of the things you just mentioned I think is important to us you know the -- -- of this generation. Our I don't know about smarter but -- certainly better educated and generations in the -- these of people that are looking to do more. Nobody sits in Florida house and please truckers anymore. You guys want to do things and in this era of shrinking budgets. The extra productivity. Of having an engine company that has multiple capabilities. It's certainly -- wait for the Forest Service to. Prove their war. Not that we have to prove it to ourselves but we do have to prove it to the being terrorists the budget people so. And I think -- It's more exciting to us and absolutely I'd much rather be out in the apparatus around the field doing things them. There -- -- and there are no disrespect Oprah but I've never watched her show. In Ireland that nudity there were people on TV crying cause she's -- and I'm going okay act and I about a -- without a watchful before she's gone but it probably won't. I think that the the engaged firefighter. Whether special operations EMS whatever you whatever you do and it's. In addition to structural firefighting is a good thing. Because during a structural -- fight you may need to know how to -- a rope. For risk absorbing need to have to voice equipment you may need to have to you assess structural stability. For -- for ourselves safety counselors there was only rescue -- Trapped firefighter. Certainly is skilled it depends on all these of the schools and talk about. You could take the most routine fire response -- You know wanted to steal a quote -- an -- went on his book review of the chiefs chief went -- -- writes about routine emergencies. Any one of those -- universities can turn into a specialized operation. At the drop of that. Oil -- can turn explosions can turn into. You know all things that that the chief right so eloquently about. Which is another great. Book. Absolutely right it's good -- -- and on the finest one of the finest. Men and a permanent government in my entire life I mean just that I would. Great leader and mentor. Friend. It was one of those fellows that meant to me and my career YouTube and battalion chief around him for almost a little -- respond to lose fathers and just. -- not great person. But too often too much of a -- Frank is the kind of guy you hope your sons would grow to be and then -- He's he's an icon of all of values and virtues that. Any profession and then one possess and I love him dearly but but -- to specialist rescue. -- I think one of the things that's important of the book is it being a more well rounded firefighter. By reading this book is gonna make you more confident more. Confident firefighter. It and what I what I like about it was it wasn't hard to read. And was I was I was never all the autos are -- -- you know. But I can understand. This book it's not intimidating book it's it's written that are very. Very you know an introductory but very comfortable level -- -- I really like. That's my goal and our. What ever written anything I try to remember the audience was a far far better far far from almost forty is and somebody taught me everything about -- -- -- today. I'm just trying to pass it along to of the far fires are not. Trying to earn him you know degree at Harvard neither the these guys so. Keep -- -- the level. The people will use. This book is is packed with -- credible information. Information that every fire department can use whether your career -- volunteer. And if you don't think you're gonna happen -- -- do specialized rescue. Then you haven't been -- work lately. That's. Almost everything we've of course it's all it's all become so. Specialized -- away. Absolutely have to stay current and again technology around this -- had tremendous pace and this is just. Keeping up with today's world and speaking about today's world. Check section -- Section three of this particular -- -- -- and we're gonna talk about emerging trends issues and today's fire service. And just life in general for him for the -- -- -- About the -- and check out part three of our interview achieved on.

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