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And. This Bobby -- with fire engineering and we are out in Joplin Missouri still interviewing the command staff the -- fire department. Chief Randall was kind enough to allow us to interview his folks today we've got his -- training officers we have Scott credit toward. -- -- -- -- Who are there training officers -- -- a little bit about what they went through that day and then other -- going to be effective going forward and how they're going to. Manage these events in the future and and some of the lessons learned that they can. Sure with the rest of the fire service because you went through obviously was most significant tornado in the history -- -- states. 159. As a accidentally that is are under 56. Confirmed fatalities 158 is that. I'm not sure they've updated today -- -- now. Boris won 5158. Which is unbelievable and in and of itself. And then the amount of destruction. It is incredible. And Mike was just talking about -- -- EOC. One of the things were able to do it G is. And -- one of the things we were talking about was. Reason came up was we were talking about the before and after shots of the neighborhoods. That -- committed to a G is now during these disasters that you learned. This or things the first time I got down DOC was moved they had. Create a large wall size map utilizing. Satellite photography. That shows the damage path is. Freshen up from new enough -- post tornado so we could actually see a map of the city with the over ways of the streets. Hands where we outline what we -- was the path and -- there -- things we can see. Where the damage was -- satellite view. -- they were able enabled take that a step further. Whatever we're -- search patterns later in the days. Post tornado. Where it showed red for the heaviest most significant damage in there in yellow for moderate damage that's various colors. Would you break it down into different grids and focus our resources. And maximize -- were some of those resources now Mike how long have you been on the job here. Here in Joplin middle for eight years and his -- to your first -- origin coming does volunteer card style -- -- selfless here called her as a work crews are. So you've got about thirteen. About sixteen years between involved here and here and then some professionally and -- before. Got -- professional departures so you ever think you'd ever see anything like us now and I've. I was there and 2003 when your city got here. By the tornados pierce city called junction when that outbreak occurred and then the making it. Was 20082009. When a tornado four track from picture all the way through -- you were my hometown audience. But I didn't neither compared to anything like us all -- and now. So it which -- such. This is completely off the scale along -- For a little over here. S job let's job fires yet willingness you know don't don't tell that -- but the guys who really affect change in the fire service who really can really change our apartment. That's tree. The bad side about trying everything goes wrong that -- -- -- initiate it's it's a training issue. We've slipped lately so Scott -- -- -- Lebanon. Absolutely. All of two months -- -- -- hold my goodness -- April 14. -- was my first day here to -- history. Just tired the pressure had an interview and know -- to come from. I'd spent. Most of my career that's -- -- fire protection district. Districts have -- square miles just east to Kansas City that. Twenty miles from -- And -- a majority of my career there before -- southwest Missouri just a few years ago. And really I crossed over from there to the chief. Part of doing things got my degree education plays. About seventeen years experience and -- end. Welcome -- welcome to Missouri. Talk about being baptized by fire to Joplin. Absolutely how's that working out gloriously. You know you couldn't. -- were firefighters. This is where we want. You know no no one wants to be home watching fire and T. Because you're just gonna curse and a shift or whoever's on. You know those guys aren't as good as I was I was there. Back and stuff but you want to be where you're gonna get it could work to do good work. I actually went and asked for a better crew or management or support from anyone else of this department this community and is really pull through. And I continue to pull through the support that we've received from everyone. Has been above and beyond what it is to be an American. It's grateful. You know people say that we're not we -- back and Bologna. America gets better every day you know look at the greatest generation with the greatest generation forties. I've got young sons in the military now they're the greatest generous -- you every generation of Americans has succeeded and we're gonna continue to. Is when -- it is when you think. Today in this country I don't know what's happened -- is -- this happens -- -- that's that's exactly. They're right they're from other Brothers and sisters our Brothers and sisters -- the fire services wells. People -- community we've had people from. New York California's. All quarters of the country come here to help out -- Wire me anyway they can't -- -- know so so where -- you. Mike on Sunday night. I was actually at home. Then let's it's still live in -- which is. About fifteen minutes -- our -- from here and one of the guys gave me a phone call -- a cell phone call I had no idea whether -- -- Is -- on your home -- -- outside of mine to Boortz. And he said he had heard Joplin back my tornado. Okay so what turned Mario -- listen they call it backs are to our stations got. -- that point where a storm here moment her radio traffic. And texted that cheaper and cheaper handles -- -- need there or what's going on his. War outlive even as a -- and she. Been away it was a -- is right. Major that I need to be their schools are necessary votes -- -- -- it has broken windows and shut us off -- or resists. Yeah so -- -- they just cut back you'll comment I got yeah I got a yes from cheaper cheaper handles and a phone call from cheaper goods saying. Get up here in get whatever warm -- -- We've got three other guys work feared that lived out my where -- in coupling -- -- a couple of workers say so we may contact him. Headed up this way -- for in person -- your mutual it's they'll probably. Listen folks as well yes you have apartments offices people bonuses and where did you get -- which here once -- got to appear objective. That first detailed there it's when it's connected as backing me and they are getting -- report structure fires that eighteenth slaying was. -- mutually -- here and they -- who really how to get there. I'm so. But I just walked -- -- they go what can you to there program won't part vehicles Wellemeyer. Hands the house walls like that's when I first realized. What way we'd come into -- from the sides career thing we saw tractor trailer rollover and some. Debris right -- okay no big deal. But whenever atop the hill about sixteenth Medicare. And -- like -- model -- What is happening here we've been talking are folks out there and Internet land about the fact that Joplin is rolling -- yes and as you crest the hill coming into Joplin about. Half mile maybe a mile path into the city limits. You see it. Yeah and on and it's also is there it is there an eight there yeah. The view from seminaries might be the worst view of all stand that church -- you you look. To the west and you look to the east and you just go yeah I'll hold my and the and the pictures of the TV just did not do it justice. To stand in the middle of it be -- -- -- as far as I can see. He's way past so you went right to fire duty. I want her art party. And come -- we're talking. Were -- about. Finding things being this -- it. All the landmarks were gone you don't realize until you're in the middle of how much you -- landmarks like the greenhouse their own -- you're taking history. And finally as you know 41 of the things we Parcells wrong here in Joplin is no in our streets -- the -- -- -- -- fun. It took forever to find the intersection -- sentencing -- Let alone with time to get there because everything was gone. There is no street signs there's nothing marking paint a society where everything is down to basically street level -- -- you can see forever is that nothing nothing really about five or six foot runner survived it and as far as you can tell that you can tell there was no. There's no structure fire pay means I'm really there's no structure it was all like to brief fire is is is to bring there was -- fire I don't know how to report came in but. We ended up -- that get freed up from math and actually -- -- marker one of the crews went to the grocery store there on twentieth street. -- they'll store. And ended up doing some -- some -- people on there and I ended up with another record -- it's it's quite. Grid work in search work until. I read science. And -- them commands that are you reassigned. We want things that the chiefly over with us and Perkins -- fascinating I never thought -- that -- assuming things are coming out these interviews which I think. As we go forward and armored C mountain management trainer disaster preparedness. And we're gonna start considering he said you have to remember that by had a fire. The -- possibility for that thing to spread exponentially it was. Unbelievable because all the debris on the ground is -- -- And it's all contiguous now it's all just on the -- that you have. You have a wild land -- from -- -- exactly as its heavy debris disk number but it's that same. Theory of I've got all this fuel on the ground never thought I'd never thought that he tells about how all the little drains all the house all the house -- -- cut all -- small business as a cut. So water pressure's gone. Because you've -- you've got 8000 leaks now I never thought that I mean just the stuff that's coming out is like. Steve -- -- recorder one inch line you pop. Thousands of thousands oh the sprinkler systems in places like Home Depot won't work. All of this Brooklyn you know even the forage Marines coming out sprinkler systems it's doubtful public water down pretty soon you're rolling up -- -- and -- now. Iraq the system's down. -- -- -- -- -- Unbelievable. So so Scott what -- you and what was your first six. Well he just. Her home in. North of the border. It's limits it. -- -- -- -- Relaxing -- -- -- -- It's all honey in the restaurant. You know you can register it's a small space. There's an -- Running at my radio that might proudly every -- -- -- ran outside to see face -- thing. It. -- -- -- That's the classic let's listen what's -- what's the what's the Jeff Foxworthy deal there's always some guy in hip waiters walking through water and -- -- -- doesn't. You know the source and are progressing -- -- -- And that's what I notice on the radio. The radio turn on -- and I've heard. From across from station to you. Attacking -- asked -- so that moment and use it as a priest of commitment. And. I went and dressed course while -- -- please god don't let the tornado. Eight. Anybody ever to -- and it. And dressed. And started -- towards -- its means -- which was emotional. Never actually seen -- tornado real life close. But from sitting outside. You can hear would start might be under. Like the beginning of thunder and never quit and weapons that offers -- ready to lead sheet. Here that she us. Yeah that sounds like an adjustment hasn't stopped this wouldn't there they're getting it you know and that's when trafficking agree she went back to that. To the bathroom accuse accused him goodbye. And I started towards ST should immediately. And you know -- -- from the north side you could see just. Copious amounts of treetops you know chopped off. Two bigger engine thing about this issue more. And -- aside cheaper rates seen upstairs. She pretty well yes I need to downstairs and -- -- now. So personally it was -- right now steers. And the united CD -- that I -- the first -- I -- you and I didn't even recognize. That's early. The hotel room at. -- But. Immediately. -- I've just so viewers know what she's talking about it -- -- The Home Depot parking lot it was about. About noon the next day he had just gotten out from being underground for twelve hours. And was on a mission doing something going from somewhere to somewhere. And -- and -- for quick interview and if you -- seen the look and that they know of focus in your alliances like. Unless you're a publisher Sherman tank you're not -- between this and -- that any. It firefighters actually task oriented or you were tests -- you're you're absolutely word you were moved when you're on a beeline for your vehicle let this man passed so. So then from the OC where did you go. Well I went downstairs to see there are just setting up everything attack -- Tim Woodward and Keith stammer. And all the rest of the wonderful staff for getting the rooms and a way to be. Tim sent me over time chief of that shift that day. Since puberty aspect occupant of the disk space it's something new guided us -- the guy has no. -- is -- knowledge of the town of exactly where things are supposed to be. But -- districts if -- was hired it's all supposed. That was nothing. Like what it was supposed to be like but what I -- was very organized dispatchers I -- fire fighter. At each stage with each of the inspectors taking complete notes. -- on no paper one to ten -- team. When he calls per page. And they get them all up and make it your goatee. Because as lecture room. We want to do with its. Certainly I -- that back over to things she and we sent out. Yes it's that board and start prior to each call. If you can call prior to -- because. You're talking about it so there's some critical call this historic and bill. Got a couple of photos of the first -- that we -- And it's just it was that we took photos and as we but he did. -- you wanna capture that absolutely. Fossil record every single call came one mention. That. Literally mean -- process later when he altered so. An amazing job when you you know we've said over and over and when you think of how fast this department. Really triage and and and primary that the primary. In this entire -- community. It really before the sunset. You know at least before the sun came up the next -- you guys and -- over this land at least once -- because we got here within 1214 hours and it was mark that was. It was the primaries were done January movement has really secondary searches and void searches which is amazing when you look at the size of this in the just -- -- Just the width of the summit in the length of the track and a complex and it's -- complex it is not just. You know little small town now and it's had multiple story homes and single story homes and school buildings -- church buildings and apartment and was 5 o'clock at night so people are -- on a Sunday so people of virtually everywhere. You know it's only gonna. Like right now Tuesday afternoon you know -- you can predict where people might -- -- on Sunday evening. There's so much going on and you really does such a great job and you really did. So you you you're out of the OC now you're on the street working as -- chief again. I gotta sign that so many different things there throughout the next few days as well as T Rachel. And which was remarkable experience for both of us together the same time. Basically throughout and -- Next few days I don't think we got but maybe an hour two hours sleep. We were up there all. -- that wrist. Upstairs before retreating from office next you know back in the weight room whatever we execute -- rest. For short periods of time and make things happen. -- that I thought she for handles. Chief Perkins chief operations. Outstanding job -- -- firfer chief to have lost his house and deal with what was going on -- personal note and then also to do an entire assessment of that town. Come back an hour later into the use CE. And -- -- and an assessment of where that image password. Which you all muscle picture -- anything laws. Our mapping can then from there -- running -- system. We can start getting court getting coordinated rescue operations up to the most hard hit areas and from that point we called out. As many search and rescue teams. Urban search and rescue teams -- -- you know way. Teams and just about every -- mutually -- apartments available. And we have been -- anyplace east of us. Was -- with the -- storms. Knowing. We got -- with this -- Tulsa guys so we got it was with whether -- but we didn't. These are the only ones that really got nailed with a tornado the government the Kansas waiting. Some tornado activity up there but nothing like what -- you all. Which you'll -- -- so. It's so valuable for -- -- -- do -- then come back. As the dust settles -- they say which I know it's still not it's still football is that it it'll be settling for for months for you all. And we really do appreciate that you patent -- Dave Morris thank you so much. Training -- what -- done before. Could -- folks all the folks around him themselves in such an exemplary way what what the skill sets that you really think that women should. Always have but. We -- recall of basics but in order to cope with some access. -- -- training aspect as well things we actually talked about. In the days after the storm was -- you you can't train for something like us. If we if we -- on even a table top hey let's take. F five tornado wiped -- a hospital on track call through -- -- of but it looked at uses OK let's do something realistic right so yeah. You'll you can do your mass casualty trading -- you know which we've done we've done command training in things like that but to try to do a worst case scenario like. This -- yourself. Well what you're seeing is so true because it's a true story came out of Oklahoma City that they were. Before the Oklahoma five CE OF five they were gonna do -- access to some -- -- -- -- an F five tornado scenario. And some really very relevant supplanting guy got -- -- paid to do this kind of stuff says that's too unrealistic and it never happened. And and now we've got Oklahoma City and we've got you guys -- at odds with the middle. I -- -- -- -- in farm country is a big deal when it goes through the middle of heavily populated 50000 person city. That's a big day and -- means and it hit you is that -- -- just a standard -- population residential because I was progresses is there. We're taught that area actually twentieth and -- several. 23 story apartment complexes right. And right behind Wal-Mart the -- Yet another sort of apartment complex and even down by singers that there was -- answer 3040 years old so there on those older city lots of times they're a little closer than we -- today right. -- over blessings on me. Hospitals. Densely populated and nursing home and things like -- -- -- more densely -- what you picture you know. -- suburban type housing where -- hundred foot from each other but they're still. Pretty tight compact and host of small town where there. Further away so what are some of the things and people will be picking your brains for years to come so get used to it and I'm just the first guy we're not gonna stop -- No one's. Gone through -- you've gone through in the Oklahoma City guys have a little different experience. Because a -- the swath through although was horrific and tremendous amount of damage. Not nearly as comprehensive in terms of what happened your job and -- When you're a comprehensive. Size wise Oklahoma city's gun. Millions have two million people. You know they've got several. I think it's X 700 fire -- that's a big job. You guys -- your eighty men and women 50000 people and the third your cities and four cylinder so what's on the train because you're gonna have to keep working out that wasn't -- things you would want. -- skill sets -- fire -- should have. For these. As events I think a lot of it goes down to the core basis of what we do with -- Its -- being -- work under. Incident management. MB and -- and disciplines and working under that type of system. Everybody reports to somebody the guys that need to take command take command. Another aspect and as -- as we've listened to the radio traffic here and there is having guys know how to keep their cool. Win station to got it. And you hear over the radio -- -- I wouldn't blame the guys one bit if they sounded freaked out over the radio but they weren't as simple. -- but I want the advice station -- has extensive damage. We're out of service. They call in the they have a they're gonna need a heavy equipment to get out. And there there already pulling bags off trucks. People seeing the video weather channel things like that where they're pulling equipment off the trucks. Using their heads and getting into that -- that. We know what we need to be doing this is what's in front of us. Is what we need to do even at the basic level we're gonna have injuries. Were we're not a -- to handle heavy stuff right now even as. Even be in Joplin we have a structural collapse team. But win you get hit that structure collapsed into the window. We can't even use that right now. Does that -- good solid knowledge of your hand Hamels and yeah I want one of the things that come -- but it's even Cuomo model my emails. This flip -- is when people discipline action. In those three core things. Like what our guys showed -- exemplified. You know they. They were -- once they they knew what they do they worked within the command structure. They did what they had to do and stayed within that they know their thoughts. This what we need to be you know and folks in -- what -- need to do and and then their actions. -- writing in with him. Those core values and doing what firemen do. Like the Marine Corps was a rifle right everybody is -- when even the captains or throwing rescue equipment only. Beat up pickup out of a parking lot because that's what they -- it -- this is our job you're still firefighters were okay. We gotta get this equipment here to do this. Even the war trucks buried under the station. We can still improvise adapt and overcome. Because this is our job this is what we've got to do this war trying to do we can get the basic equipment to do it let's -- do it. Since I've been here from the last few months hand. We've had two different academies driver academy -- new higher care. For people we've brought onboard and one of the things and in the interview process we were. -- -- come -- with what was someone if it was look at -- -- like to be part of that -- fire department. -- because you're gonna a lot of people want to come here casinos -- what you -- We require a minimum of unity and firefighter it's it's that are what part -- -- -- certificates. That we have a course testing process. And then -- -- that that's for driver that them minimum six months along that we put them through an academy that's. Comparable it it integrates a lot of the the drive -- -- coming -- -- driver operator. Curriculum and they can actually test from the get them for that certification but also we -- and a lot of what we want them. We. -- or -- locals starter next week some things like that. An advanced basics if you would like -- what they should already know prior to and -- doing that it kind of empower empowers the new hires in powers. Sense of self pride respect. Also I feel like a system that they're in the system before they get into the substance yet so you're saying you've been through two academies. -- different academies -- both the driver and the new higher academy and top quality candidates they select the best to have -- process. From there they have about candidates are willing to. Go through what they're they're taught and put aside things that they knew in the past. And open their minds to you techniques the windy and done things here -- -- -- culture. And from what I've known and seen here so far this is. I was one of the best cultures. At least in the southwest Missouri. Apart when it comes to our -- -- insulting of the fire department but I like to see department -- it's got it together you know like to see command structure. He had firefighters that are looking to take up the dishes you know the chiefs fight with them not to do it. You have our -- open the door for the public. Customer service is number one and you're gonna see here. You're missing the professionalism in I wouldn't doubt it. Every firefighter walked out that door with a sense of -- -- belong to something good and I'm doing something good for the citizens job. And they know it's their job. But you know personally. I'd like to make it. Good and I'm I'm glad to be a part of this department. You just did wrong and make sure that states that don't edit that out that's -- that's important. So what some of the training that you wanna recommend. They haven't seen what you see -- some of the things you're -- heavy rescue. Hello how are you gonna you're gonna we gonna do it differently improve. As what you what do you guys think you like to do with your new hires and. Real quick -- feel at this one. July. 2011. Was supposed to be asking. Me. For the honorary in this series and I noticed that I -- I think we can write you off but yeah. I don't think we've hit. You covered that. I. Maintaining what we've been -- as -- big thing I this program. Its its so easy Perkins is set -- years ago. And his tweet and tweet when I came and I got up to -- up and with chief Perkins and start. Adding my ideas that was internship also what he wasn't cool. -- march or so about eight months ago. Six months ago if if that -- just he recently got -- he's been doing the job of deputy chief. Says probably December so. But -- when he got promoted to deputy chiefs would open up the other currencies. Physicians are cheap crappy you got -- and hours and now we get tight -- his ideas in and take it. The next step but I really think focusing on cut like our history -- in -- -- the first things we do with burning cars is. This is the history this department. You you you -- us. That we didn't come looking for years we -- you we want you you chose us for reasons now understands. The history of -- apartment. Why we do things you know not just what we use a triple wired world. On our attack files why do we is that why does that work for us any in the history of -- apartment for little things. Joplin threat after a hundred the other Joplin threat why do we have -- -- -- you know. And for for -- 130 years almost since 1882. We've been here we've been doing this there's been somebody here you're now part of that. And this -- what we expected. And the very first day -- a lot of that its history this meeting with the -- is getting their expectations. Before we even start getting into how we do things. So on and really -- -- getting into the this is what expected you this how -- discipline that's how we work our ranks. Little things like every morning coming man. Clean in the station election making sure your trucks ready to go little things like that and still. I believe -- discipline -- I mean in the military's column of this for hundreds of years. Little things instill discipline. And discipline people become disciplined and people and the people around -- they can disciplined. And it's. With that they can gain knowledge. They're not you know sitting in her -- -- -- They're reading. You know reading fire engineering or whatever magazine maybe -- -- mall yep the the and on line doing things like that that's -- things we still. Being a student of the job. You can have the arguments about what a professional but when it comes right down to this is what we tell a professional as a student of the job. When you look at doctors. Warriors and the engineers their costs we have learned -- correct this isn't a job company and you sit there for wake academy. And -- I -- crucial here and it costs when our. It's essentially say that too -- because we've what we've discovered after extensive research -- all the big things. Made up questions about anyway plus actually there's nothing is just suddenly a big thing you know it you went through -- Largest tornado. Most devastating tornadoes as you know states. And your success is predicated on the fact that every single your people. Knew how to do everything. Right and world focused and kept. Going from one task for the next next to tell me how you handle the gas emergencies because those must've been scariest. Well. It's a program and -- standpoint. We -- He representative. Which was Roger Ayers from the G. Who also showed up -- he -- -- we talked with him we set him with every -- direct communications. With this -- -- hand. Every emergency that was reported was relayed to him for him and his -- but of course they were overwhelmed. Immediately. Past that point we have other crews working yet. Mass -- here. Multiple patients here trick victims we literally also rose you know -- some. Since this teachings -- citizen volunteers. To go out double -- make sure that wasn't actually ghastly well he should. To confirm it because he got -- and especially -- 8000 emergency simultaneous. This -- absolutely had to get. Watson won the interviews on somewhere Willie Geist talked about it this wasn't one incident this is 8000 each person had their incidence. Every hurt person is another is every house is another answer every every gas leaks. And it's every down telephone pole and and you also have to prioritize. I'd -- the nice thing. About the tornado coming through wallet while it knocked out and we gas leaks everywhere also knocked -- all the ignition sources well good. So you have the major gas -- or -- major concern. The gas company and we we could prioritize it field and say what you know what it's like -- -- they -- that major -- there we need somebody here. We we found that that we actually parked in that parking. -- part of that reporting system. Yeah but there's a gasoline here already and doesn't -- yet please shut off when you said -- all field if tomorrow. You know this is killing somebody is his only immediate threat. If okay. We get to that later in the week called in from the fields to -- -- -- ghastly here and these guys to see what is now -- now taking notes and and things like that you -- ghastly it twenty to 23 Moffett whatever maybe. Right now and haven't organized. We're able to do so and then. Having that unified command have -- almost representatives from -- electric or gas energy. These are American water -- -- police department in this have everybody in there. You know. Millions as much as -- of -- make passes. Has its purpose and the principles of it you work all that commands just you know. I think you need to be as first as you possibly you need to be as eloquent and condemns. As you possibly can I think we need to understand. Level -- and fires in the blue card system or whatever they're doing million that's what is a great system. And then everything. Builds on that you know you understand that and if you can. Operated a type one incident. Then -- really not any good to me and yet through all operate at the fours and fives and ones and twos just as well. Even if you don't understand all the paperwork as long as you understand that principle of it. That this is what I need to do to make this work you can make it work even if it's not exactly how they haven't in the plan. We can make it work is like command in May in May there's paperwork to introduce us it was put those type -- -- it would help with that if things that they're gonna come in and they got the experts that can now. One you out there but as long as you got the basic parameters set up -- -- -- Have seen the paperwork you you've been through the the courses -- and you and you know how it relates to it because getting logistics. For an event this large. You know after after. 24 hours it's gonna be daunting if you haven't -- and a presidential visit did you get to meet. Presently I did not I was actually doing -- talking racial America. Analysts say in charge of operations. That's important I mean the he comes and people need to know that -- That and -- also has Israel and they are very good about trying to make is minimal impact on house doesn't care. And which is great. What was amazing is weak cold from the brigade of Keith stammer. We knew we needed help right off the -- we contacted FEMA Sima. Southwest -- support team and literally we -- personnel there. Within two hours on its. We're talking logistics planning everything. Associated with what we need there needs were sent out in the first listen -- -- -- -- take over. Here's supplement and healthy thing that you need to get only an idiot would have taken over. They got us everything they needed and now. Did you well if you look at your you'll see now you've been through. A major super major event. -- -- -- the CE credits. Would you change the set up -- anyway have you looked into this worked really well this didn't -- so so a look at the -- -- in the right place to look. With a phone set up correctly and all that good stuff to do that work it didn't work the way you thought it was gonna work. I get really did I -- for. Something of this magnitude for something that. -- It worked as well as you could hope that what -- good it was literally. Right across the table three feet away was public works. Who had had access to all the heavy equipment across the table to it to them right in front of us was law enforcement and -- -- Moment we -- an issue of any -- we all have them take care of that issue we had Red Cross that are -- and them. Health -- we had also -- behind us. And I know for Joplin you have great communications and you guys have great relationships -- with your four. -- cut back -- -- -- sister cities and the folks in Branson the folks in Springfield and you foresees that created kind of -- a super plan that -- has Madden mass triage and all that good stuff which is fantastic because those relationships. -- is great relationships are greater right no no one the guy that. Hate Tommy you know bring us or Britain and so it's not come play we need -- Talk about -- Of the communications just for second if you will because I know that we're still battling with that the fire service were still struggling with. My radio can't talk to your radio because I'm on this frequency -- -- that frequency. And we did so and it. We have we -- -- -- and -- Andrew Peters do patches artists that -- the paper it would of those. They're called machine basically if you play everybody you've given your radio. -- get one of everybody's radios that can make more work I don't remember we did. Receive. Most. Hasn't it hasn't hasn't yet know exactly what you're talking about -- just take the radio pulpit in there and it advertisers using other. Which is amazing technology now what what we can't just all -- -- Ross you know. -- -- -- -- -- -- imagine that. Which is part in order hours. So. You can do anything differently -- training for free to leave your guys you two guys. -- -- -- -- this thing that we need to do now is capture. Everything that we've done and write that article so -- engineering. And can't do everything that we have to get it on paper yet. Everyone's story everyone what they are doing similar what you do with us here so long arms or we're in the process of putting all that together pretty -- -- We'd like to get it on record and then from that point revealed to make accurate measurements. -- where we need to be -- training gaps that we need to. To pursue. You know we still have to have have a chance to do an after action reviews -- moment. Because you know -- it goes on in -- -- things when it rains it worse. You after the tornado we bird forty some thousand or square foot building. Had a -- as we arrived -- through the room. In the midst of that we had in the middle -- literally in the middle this fire had a break kind of lose to go rescue a volunteer. Album well. The fell -- -- well. We had debris far the birds. Point 23 houses worth of piled up debris. So we secondary that's just to slow downs and an after action review yet it is the -- keep the hits keep go keep won't. We you know what I saw I was out there was -- and that the crews working with their hand tools. You know and and -- we have structural. Because that's what we are primarily structural firefighters. But when you think about it use of levers of prime bars. Knowing how to make purchase points and how to use you know -- properly -- to get an advantage. And I can see a whole. New realm of familiar station. About about that like the San Francisco guys spend a huge amount of time in their training process about how to operate with -- and pulleys and -- -- in San Francisco and they know sooner or later but they have to do it by hand. And that's less well things -- -- -- artists we've been trying to install on their kids is. That they start off we start off really basic. You know here's the tools we use here's how to use. By the time they get out and -- things that we stressed to them is. We -- should understand the principles. You should understand that how it works this way this way and that's -- so that yeah we use -- how in the opener of the war. And we know how to do that but at the same time -- -- same principles. In a structural collapse is like you talk about use -- Basic hand tools understand the concept of how those tools -- used and how can I take this tool when used in this scenario. It's those little really basic things not just -- how -- just broken in the war. How organs are prying tool what's. Purchase point cool things like that. And recognize and I can use this tool to do this as it goes right now what we're talking earlier -- out of the very basic level. And -- you know instilling -- of these guys is very basic things here's the principles not just -- it in their twist this is. Why -- is doing us this election isn't. Well you have to have your own knife in your own -- in your own chalk and all the stuff that you all your own rope and no we're weathering all stuff you put your pockets. It's not there. For show it's there to help walk and I use it for what what got this this and do this. So why -- -- their four weeks we'll really start -- under the test we start seeing some of that. Here's the task I gotta do hacking use this. And it and make this easier or do it this way -- this man we start seeing them. Think for themselves musicals that omitting basic tools we saw -- guys we're really overwhelming when you isn't it you know have their wedding -- both their shoulders and then another guy. Brian up in -- news. It was it was great to see it was really great to see so what does what does. Joplin you right now what would what would -- you guys. He desired but you should think that. -- And -- actually three you've got one of the -- is the center and -- -- -- it's just treat diseases have more -- -- out there they can get. Training and easier electronically -- stuff like hopefully the apple corporation. I mean. That's -- that's a hard question -- you can think of what -- That would be great to have until some money asks. You want until some races so it's like with a -- -- your birthday yeah. -- that -- -- at your birthday. New -- would have been nice. I mean we talked. -- -- -- its people and they fired one -- big manufacturing ports. That is something we did it just hit us it is tractor tractor treasury caught fire at the loading -- Thankfully it you know General Mills played so it's a pretty big so thankfully it -- to -- -- -- -- -- far out buildings but the mental issue. -- they're talking about and this is we use positive pressure. Even on our initial tax. And trying to figure out -- we just recently. Three months ago particularly -- new for General Mills yeah. For -- -- -- walks towards more because we've had fires box stores as a problem -- we run it. Those and -- use those mobile that's just popped up as like. I -- -- of those and looking back at times we couldn't use what I was doing a lot of great work with those Chicago Chicago -- lot of great work. A lot of overseas and use some doubts uses them. In the high rise fires in pressure as those stairwells. Like. And even yulia missed signals on -- -- what is max re all ordinaries have a fourth of July thing -- -- -- -- degree temperatures things like that. The other point just potential and things like that is -- -- this concept of what we Jesus calls and I guess -- things Joplin. That I think we've always been -- that is we can now adapt things that those principles. And make it work what we need to work -- What I think. For what it's worth from watching what I saw out there -- one. Was that you've got squarely people you've got great leadership you got an incredible community. People -- asked me you have been here you know anything -- it's absolutely gonna survive. I think that area town is gonna look somewhat different you know it's -- you're never gonna recapture that picturesque old 1940s and have these -- look. It'll have -- more modern. Structures and it. But it's gonna come back and and it's just too pretty place. You know this that this is not a dagger through the heart problems is to vibrant community. A lot of folks don't really understand how. Vibrant job quotas because it at night it's 50000 people we say 50000 in the daytime it's 200000. That you two guys both work here which -- little live in the theater cities and and Joplin has a tremendous. Importance to -- to the Oklahoma Arkansas. In Missouri economies and it's gonna continue to. You know it's only ten miles across the Oklahoma border and Arkansas borders what thirty. 3040 yes that's a stimulus and often -- I was going to jail or about an hour battery ground and for -- route from northwest Arkansas. -- two -- from Tulsa and Kansas City. We we get walls outside places. Don't even as a kid growing up an hour from here we always -- -- job. You know of the closest big city to us and we get along that -- -- that is now. And so beautiful city insisted it is absolutely gorgeous and it still is people need to know that jobless still beautiful. Place to come and visit them. -- -- A third of its been devastated. -- -- The Home Depot is just about back. What my pants. Pocket just couple days ago they had the foundation -- now. Now the Walgreens right in front of it all -- yeah all right so yeah Walgreens. I would be surprised if sales are there. You know today and that's -- -- I didn't even I forgot there's walker user gets its -- it sets right in front. Yeah as it -- and it -- six months. And that's. -- walker he's got over that whole areas probably tend to be ten years -- right -- mean that that whole area is all that. -- -- shopping centers up there in the big sports place and -- academy camp and the sports. News it's been built since I've been here at least part of last 345 years. Home Depot's pretty new -- talking about two. You know we talk about usually go to collapse -- personally it's one type ability. You guys went everything from type one. All the way to you know 1930. -- you know dealing with a different the tilt up constructions like only phobia. Walk with winds -- won't friends for us what -- more. The you know the ordinary construction on the wall greens the residential construction and we. A little bit here yesterday -- -- now now witness. Everything. -- anything directly in the path it. Nothing really -- look for -- -- you know as a as a training publication. FDIC and fire engineering. Listen to you two guys talk we confirms everything we believe that the main interest in the fire service is trading. Because that its training that got you through May 22 23 and 24 at. It wasn't you know dedication which is important passion all -- of the good stuff. It all falls back and we left about this and -- -- it alls based on your tree. And you can never. You -- that there were some good friends my own department. But -- runs reform dikes was so -- is getting complaints from those guys because they weren't doing too much training. Can on this perfection. Not this option I know because when you look at something like this you've got the structure fires do that we had to deal. Seasonal firefighter -- in your rescue trainees and -- -- adhere -- -- you're gonna read that you that you're asking people cars we -- the ways that nobody ever imagine yeah eight cars on top of course there -- callers on top of room restaurant bill raptors injuries I mean yeah is the ultimate let's take everything we do you. Hazmat fire EMS and rescue and lets us. Roll the dice and throw across town you -- -- -- use every little thing. You would have thought that someone you know or some of the fire -- -- would have been overwhelmed. When they first stepped out solve this but I didn't have any of -- they want to each call they -- to each incident they were assigned to think cleared it. That's -- we saw earlier you're you're exactly the professionalism was unbelievable. Just the level of integrity level of just focused dedication -- discipline. These people. It was a great example there's a great book out again people -- lover was delta force guy is called the mission the men and me. And that's what you saw here it was the mission it was try to save as many -- we could say it. Trying to restore which orders we could restore. Norton for the citizens -- of Joplin. Then it was taking care of the men and that's what you two guys were doing and chief purpose was doing. You know and that's what was going on there. And and then it was about you you when you talk about your boss' house is gone. His family's living in his office and yet he's right there who -- and want it. They make into it's little things you don't even realize -- afterward he's more concerned about you all yeah. Then than anything tells us and a -- we're we're out there making sure the guys -- risked their lives Tuesday night you know want. I haven't had them like a sleepy you guys -- Submission and then let me because it was it was -- what. They're -- great moments in America's interest and surrounded by trash Pearl Harbor eleven. And we have 22 job where. The men and women like yourselves stepped up and said. -- -- -- And here also and you want them -- you know but if you do if you if you wanted to look at an example of American exceptional wasn't. Thank you said there was. You know and it's gonna continue to be and that's why it I think that the downside for -- -- -- fifty years and a lot more -- one. Because people are gonna wanna come and live with this kind of people people don't want -- part of this kinda. This kind of environment this is this is the hard -- you guys were -- strong -- and -- still be strong. On behalf of all firefighters out there. We're we're just so proud have guys like you'd be in such -- shining example. What real professionalism was all about and doesn't mean if you career -- volunteer. Everybody out there was real professional and they came from all -- we just want to thank you Mike for. -- when -- -- busy already got better things I didn't jawbone with. -- firemen we really appreciate want to get your story out there. -- You know they could have gotten better guys in here you fit right -- here you wouldn't -- born and raised. -- Your just your perfect for. For job well you know they when I first came in I don't know that's have a nickname type thing. He's going to kill me for this. -- Frankfurt. So throughout the tires incidents. -- -- show Crenshaw it's the -- -- and I think that the -- look like locusts yet. And one team we've got to -- -- impairment going to get us. We'll leave we'll leave that in secret so we got the credit -- what was initially keep -- -- there. That's terrible organized. Thanks again for spend some time as we sure do appreciate it and you know there's anything we can do for you please reach let us know what is. Actually. Hopefully we get to see about that the -- -- that is us. And.