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After the Tornado: An Interview with Joplin (MO) Fire Training Officers

Mon, 1 Aug 2011|

Chief Bobby Halton talks to Joplin (MO) Training Officers Scott Cranford and Mike Redshaw about the devastating tornado that ravaged the city in May 2011.

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And. This Bobby -- with fire engineering and we are out in Joplin Missouri still interviewing the command staff the -- fire department. Chief Randall was kind enough to allow us to interview his folks today we've got his -- training officers we have Scott credit toward. -- -- -- -- Who are there training officers were talking a little bit about what they went through that day and and other training going to be -- going forward and how they're going to. Manage these events in the future and and some of the lessons learned that they can. -- with the rest of the fire service because you went through. Obviously was most significant tornado in the history that states. 159. As a accidentally that is are under 56. Confirmed fatalities 158 is that. I'm not sure they've updated today -- -- now. What's 15150. Game which is unbelievable and -- of itself. And then the amount of destruction. Is an incredible and Mike was just talking about in the -- One of the things were able to do it G is. And one of the things we were talking about was. Reason it came up was we were talking about the before and after shots of the neighborhoods. We're committed to a G is now during these disasters it. You learned. This or things the first time I got -- -- -- OC was -- they had. Create a large wall size map utilizing. Satellite photography. That shows the damage path is. Freshen up from new enough is post tornado so we could actually see a map of the city with the over ways of the streets. Hands where we outline what -- follows the path and -- there -- things we can see. Where the damage was -- satellite view. -- they were able able to take that a step further. Whatever we're -- search patterns later in the days. Post tornado. Where it showed red for the heaviest most significant damage in -- and yellow from moderate damage that's various colors. Would you break it down into different grids and focus our resources. And maximize were -- -- those resources now Mike how long have you been on the job here. -- jumping -- middle for eight years and his -- to your first or forward to coming does volunteer card style how selfless here called her as a work crews are. So you've got about thirteen. About sixteen years between -- and hear them some professionally and -- before. Got -- professional -- so you ever think you'd ever see anything like this now and I've. I don't know I was there and 2003 when pierce city got -- By the tornados pierce city called junction when that outbreak occurred and then the making it. Was 20082009. When the tornado four track from pitcher -- -- per if you were my hometown audience. But I didn't neither compared to anything like us all -- and now. So it Astros pitcher. This is completely off the scale among -- strange. For a little over here. S job let's job fires yet -- -- -- you know don't don't tell that she's but the guys who really affect change in the fire service who really can really change our apartment. That's tree. The bad side about trying everything goes wrong -- -- straight initiate. It's it's a training issue. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Absolutely. All of two months -- -- -- hold my goodness -- April 14. -- was my first day here to -- history. Just tired -- had an interview in -- -- to come from. I'd spent. Most of my career that's -- -- fire protection district. Districts have -- square miles just east to Kansas City that. Twenty miles from NC. And I've done a majority of my career they're working -- -- Missouri just a few years ago. And really I crossed over from there to the chief. It. Part of doing things got my degree education plays. About seventeen years experience and -- end. Welcome -- welcome to Missouri. Talk about being baptized by fire to Joplin. Oh yeah absolutely how's that working out -- You know you couldn't. They were firefighters. This is where we want. You no no one wants to be home watching the fire on T. Because you're just gonna curse and a shift or whoever's on. You know those guys aren't as good as I was I was there. Back and stuff but you wanna be where you can -- -- work -- do good work. I actually went and asked for a better crew or management or support from anyone else of this department this community and is really pull through. And I continue to pull through the support that we've received from every one. Has been above and beyond what it is to be an American. It's grateful. You know people say that we're not we -- back and Bologna. America gets better every day you know look at the greatest generation with the greatest generation forties. I've got young sons in the military now they're the greatest generator I -- every generation of Americans has succeeded and we're gonna continue to. Is what -- when you think. Today in this country I don't know what's happened here is what this happens -- -- that's -- that's exactly. They're right there for other Brothers and sisters -- Brothers and sisters in the fire services wells. People -- community we've had people from. New York California. All quarters of the country come here to help out -- Wire me anyway they can't -- -- know system so where we you. Mike on Sunday night. I was actually at home. Then let's it's still live in -- which is. About fifty minutes and our way from here and one of the guys gave me a phone call on a cell phone call I had no idea whether -- -- Is passes on you home while playing outside of mine to Boortz well and He said -- -- -- heard Joplin hit my tornado. Okay so what turned Mario -- listen. They call it backs are to power stations got it all of that point where a storm here -- -- her radio traffic. And texted that cheaper goods cheaper handles -- you need there or what's going on his. War outlive even as a -- and she. Been away it was a -- right. Major that I need to be their -- and zero -- yes it has broken windows and shut us off rows or resists. Yeah so -- they just cut back you'll comment -- got yeah I got a yes from cheaper cheaper handles and a phone call from cheaper goods thing. Get up here in get whatever we want markets -- We've got three other guys work feared that lived out my where -- in -- in Korea co workers say so we may contact him. Head up this way are -- in pursuit area of mutual it's they'll probably. Listen folks as well yes you have apartments offices people -- and where did you get detail which here once -- got to appear objective. That first detailed there it's when it's connected as backing me and they are getting -- report structure fires that eighteenth slaying was. Won't mutually campuses here and they -- -- really how to get there. Even so. But I just walked and they they go what -- you -- there program won't part vehicles Wellemeyer. Hands the house walls like that's when I first realized. What way we'd come into town from the sides career thing we saw tractor trailer rollover and some. Debris right -- okay no big deal. But whenever atop the hill about sixteenth Medicare. And -- like role model -- What is happening here we've been talking are folks out there and Internet land about the fact that Joplin is rolling -- suggests and as you crest the hill coming into Joplin about. Half mile maybe a mile path into the city limits. You see it. Yeah you know run and it's also is there it is there an eight there yeah. The view from seminaries might be the worst you'll all witness stand that church -- you you look. To the west and universities. That you just go. Hold my and the and the pictures of the TV just did not do it justice. To stand in the middle of it available -- as far as I can see. -- way -- so you went right to fire duty. -- -- -- -- art party. And cause we're talking. Were -- about. Finding things being this -- it. All the landmarks were gone you don't realize until you're in the middle of how much you -- landmarks like the greenhouse their own -- you're taking history. And finally -- you know 41 of the things -- Parcells wrong here in Joplin is doing our streets knowing addresses them -- It took forever to find the intersection of eighteenth and -- -- Let alone with time to get there because everything was gone. There is no street signs there -- nothing marking paint a society where everything is down to basically street level and you can see forever is that nothing nothing really simple virus six foot -- survived it and as far as you can tell that you can tell there was no. There's no structure fire by any means I'm really there's no structure was all like to brief fire is is is to bring there was only enough fire I don't know how to report came -- but. We ended up wind up getting freed -- from math and actually wanna marker one of the crews went to the grocery store there on twentieth street. Then they'll store. And ended up doing some rescues and -- people on there and I ended up with another record -- it's quite. Grid work in search work until. I read science. And -- them commands that are -- reassigned. We want things that that she went over with us and Perkins -- fascinating and we're gonna use so -- things are coming out these interviews which I think. As we go forward -- -- C mountain management -- disaster preparedness. That we start considering He said you have to remember that by had a fire. The -- possibility for that thing to spread exponentially it was. Unbelievable because all the debris on the ground is all -- And it's all contiguous let's all just on the grounds that you have. You have a wild land -- from -- -- exactly as its heavy debris disk number but it's that same. Theory of I've got all this fuel on the ground never thought I'd never thought that He tells about how all the little drains all the house all the house -- -- cut all the small business as a cut. So water pressure's gone. Because you've -- you've got 8000 leaks now I never thought that I mean just the stuff that's coming out is like. Steve even -- -- one inch line pop. Thousands of thousands oh the sprinkler systems in places like Home Depot won't work. All of this Brooklyn you know even the forage Marines coming out sprinkler -- it's doubtful public water down pretty -- -- -- and up and you -- -- -- now. -- the system's down. -- -- system is maxed. Unbelievable. So so Scott what were you in what was your first six. Well He just. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Relaxing. And -- Sirens off. -- honey in the restaurant. You know you can register it's a small space. There's -- -- They. Are running diary that might probably every -- -- -- ran outside to see face -- thing. -- -- -- That's the classic let's listen what's -- what's the what's the Jeff Foxworthy deal there's always a dynamic waiters walking through water -- -- doesn't. You know there's always some -- I think one. Yeah. And that's what -- on the radio listening to. Turn on -- and I've heard it from across from station to -- -- -- -- asked her so at that moment -- -- that this is -- of commitment. And I went and dressed course while -- -- please god don't let the torn in half naked. I don't -- if -- ever did it. And stressed. And started -- towards each of these which was emotional. Never actually seen tornado real life up close. But from sitting outside. You can hear would start might be under. Like the beginning of thunder and never quit and weapons that -- -- ready to lead sheet. Here that she knows. Yeah that sounds like an adjustment hasn't stopped -- women there there it you know and that's when trafficking agree she went back to that. To the bathroom accuse accused him goodbye. And I started towards ST -- immediately. And you know -- into the states from the north side you could see just. Copious amounts of treetops you know chopped off. To bigger engine and -- -- this issue more. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So personally it was -- right now steers. And united -- -- -- that I think the first -- -- -- you -- -- even recognized. That's early. The hotel room at. -- But. Immediately. -- -- just so viewers know what she's talking about it -- -- people parking lot it was about. About noon the next day He had just gotten out from being underground for twelve hours. And was on a mission doing something going from somewhere to somewhere. And -- and -- for quick interview and if you -- -- the look and that they know of focus in your alliances like. Unless you're a publisher Sherman tank you're not -- between this and -- that any. -- -- -- actually task oriented or you -- test battery viewers who're you remove when you're on a bee line for your vehicle let this man so. So then from the OC where did you go. Well I went downstairs to see there -- just setting up everything changed. Tim Woodward and Keith stammer. And all the rest of the wonderful staff for getting the rooms and a way to be. Tim sent me over time -- that shift that day. -- -- aspect of pocket expenses so when you get this. There's the guy has no. -- knowledge of the town of exactly where things are supposed to be. But -- districts if -- was -- it's all supposed. That was nothing. Like what it was supposed to be like but what I -- was very organized dispatchers -- -- fire fighter. At each stage with each of the inspectors taking notes. Right on no Paper one to ten -- team. When He calls per page. And -- get it all up in your -- Those lecture room. We want to do with this. So let me actually back over -- -- -- she and we set out. Yes it's that board and start prior to each call if you can call prior ties because. You're talking about it so -- some are critical call this historic. Got a couple of photos of the first -- -- -- -- And it's just it was that we took photos -- because we but He. Computer and want to capture that absolutely. Fossil record every single call came one mention. That. Literally and we knew how important process later -- altered so. An amazing job when you you know we've said over and over when you think of how fast this department. Really triage and and and primer for the primary. In this entire -- community. It really before the sunset. You know at least before the sun came up the next -- you guys. Over this land at least once -- because we got here within 1214 hours and it was mark that was. It was the primaries were done January movement really secondary searches and void searches which is amazing when you look at the size of this in the just -- -- -- the width of in the length of the track in a complex and it's -- complex it is not just. You know little small town -- It's had multiple story homes and single story homes and school buildings in this church buildings and apartment it was 5 o'clock at night so people are -- on a Sunday so people are literally everywhere. You know it's only gonna. Like right now Tuesday afternoon you know -- you can predict where people might -- -- on Sunday evening. There's so much going on and you really does such a great job He really did so you you you're out of the OC now you're out mystery. Working as that chief again. I -- -- -- so many different things there throughout the next few days as well as the T Rachel. And which was -- remarkable experience for both of us together the same time. Basically throughout and -- Next few days I don't think we got but maybe an hour two hours of sleep. We were up there all. It went back rest. Upstairs on the floor trading room office next you know back in the weight room whatever we execute your rest. For short periods of time -- make things happen. -- that I thought -- for handles. Chief Perkins chief operations. Outstanding job -- -- firfer chief to have lost his house and deal with what was going on -- personal note and then also to do an entire assessment of that town. Come back an hour later into the UC. And hip and an assessment of where in the image -- which team all muscle picture where anything laws. Our mapping and then from there or -- -- system. We can start getting court giving coordinated rescue operations up to the most hard hit areas. And from that point we called out. As many search and rescue teams. Urban search and rescue teams speaking you know way. Teams and just about every -- mutually -- apartments available. And we -- news that anybody can east of us. Was -- with the -- storms. Knowing. We got -- with this island Tulsa guys so we got it was with whether -- but we didn't. These are the only ones that really gotten nailed with a tornado pick up on the Kansas waiting. Some tornado activity up there but nothing like what -- you all. -- -- -- -- -- It's so valuable -- your -- -- do analysts' then come back. As the dust settles -- -- -- -- I know it's still not it's still football is still there and it'll be settling for for months for you all. And we really do appreciate that you patent -- Dave Morris thank you so much. Trading -- what -- done before. That could your folks all the folks around him themselves in such an exemplary way what what the skill sets that you really think that men and women should. Always have but we -- do you recall of basics but in order to cope with some access. All of training aspect that's what things we actually talked about. In the days after the storm was -- you you can't train for something like us. If we if we -- on -- tabletop. Hey let's take. F five tornado -- -- a hospital on track call through town of but it looked at uses OK let's do something realistic right so yeah. You'll you can do your mass casualty -- which you know which we've done we've done command training -- things like that but to try to do a worst case scenario like this. You know what you see him pretty well what you're -- is so true because it's a true story came out of Oklahoma City that they were. Before the Oklahoma five CE OF five they were gonna do try access to some -- -- -- -- an F five tornado scenario. And some really very relevant supplanting guy got me it's paid to do this kind of stuff says that's too unrealistic and -- never happened. And and now we've got Oklahoma City and we've got you guys who have -- the metal. I -- an -- five in farm country is a big deal when it goes through the middle of -- heavily populated 50000 person city. That's a big day and I means and it hit -- is that would -- justice injured census population residential because I was -- -- this is there. We're -- -- you actually twentieth and there's several. 23 story apartment complexes it. They're right behind Wal-Mart the guy yet another sort of apartment complex and even down by Saint -- that there was -- answer 3040 years old so there on those older city lot -- -- they're a little closer than we've -- today right. -- over blessings on me. Hospitals. Densely populated and nursing home and things like that -- -- -- -- more densely. Tiger what you picture you know. -- suburban type housing where -- hundred foot from each other but they're still. Pretty tight compact as opposed to a small town where there. Further away so what are some of the things and people -- picking your -- for years to come so get used to it I'm not I'm just the first guy we're not gonna stop -- No one's. Gone through what you've gone through in the Oklahoma City guys have a little different experience. Because a -- the swath through although it was horrific and tremendous amount of damage. Not nearly as comprehensive in terms of what happened here in -- and -- And maneuver comprehensive. Size wise Oklahoma city's got. Millions have two million people. You know they've got several. I think it's X 700 firefighters is a big job. You guys got your eighty men and women 50000 people and the third your -- -- Four cylinder so -- some of the train because you're gonna have to keep working out that wasn't turning things you would want. Since skill sets -- fire -- should have. For these kinds of events. I think a lot of it goes down to the core basis of what we do with turning. This and being -- work under. Incident management. MB and -- and disciplines and working under that type of system. Everybody reports to somebody the guys that need to take command take command. Another aspect and as close as we've listened to the radio traffic here and there is having guys know how to keep their cool. Win station to got it. And you hear over the radio -- I wouldn't blame the guys one bit if they sounded freaked out over the radio but they weren't as simple. -- but I want the advice station -- has extensive damage. We're out of service. They call in the they -- a they're gonna need a heavy equipment to get out. And there there are acorn flags off trucks. People see -- the video weather channel things like that where they're pulling equipment off the trucks. Using their heads and getting into that -- that. We know what we need to be doing this is what's in front of us. Is what we need to do even at the basic level we're gonna have injuries. -- we're not a -- to handle heavy stuff right now even as. Even be in Joplin we have a structural collapse team. But win you get hit that structure collapsed into the window. We can't even use that right now. Does that -- good solid knowledge of your hand pools and yeah I want one of the things that come -- but it's even Cuomo model my emails. This flip -- is when people discipline action. In those three core things. Like what our guys showed -- exemplified. You know they. They were -- once they they knew what they do they worked within the command structure. They did what they had to do and stayed within that they know their thoughts. This what we need to be development folks in -- what -- need to do and and then their actions. Hide writing in with him. Those core values and doing what firemen do. Like the Marine Corps it was a rifle right everybody is -- when even the captains -- up throwing rescue equipment on me. Beat up pickup out of a parking lot because that's what they wouldn't get free agents this is our job you're still firefighters were okay. We gotta get this equipment here to do this. Even -- trucks buried under the station. We can still improvise adapt and overcome. Because this is our job this is what we've got to do this war trying to do we can get the basic equipment to do it lets -- -- Since I -- here from the last few months hand. We've had two different academies and driver academy and a new higher care. For people we've brought onboard and one of the things and in the interview -- -- We approach where they compete with what was someone if it was look at this they had like to be part of that -- -- fire department. -- because you're gonna a lot of people want to come here casinos -- what you -- We require a minimum of the unity and firefighter it's it's that are what part one and -- certificates. That we have a course testing process. And then beyond that that's for driver that them minimum six months along that we put them through an academy that's. Comparable it it integrates a lot of the the drive -- -- coming up -- -- operator. Curriculum and they can actually test from the get them for that certification but also we -- and a lot of what we want them now. We. Wolf or -- locals charter and sleep some things like that. An advanced basics if you well there -- policy what they should already know prior to and and doing that it kind of empower empowers the new -- in powers. Sense of self pride respect also and. Feel like a system that they're in the system before they get into the substance yet so you're saying you've been through two academies. -- different academies -- both driver and the new higher academy and top quality candidates being selected the best to have -- process. From there they have about candidates are willing to. Go through what they're they're taught and put aside things that they knew in the past. An open their minds to new techniques the windy and done things here in a decent have been culture. And from what I've known and seen here so far this is. Only one of the best cultures. At least in the southwest Missouri. Apart when it comes to our -- -- insulting to the fire department but I like to scene department this it's got it together you know like to see command structure. He had firefighters that are looking to take up the dishes you know that -- fight with them not to do it. You have our -- open the door for the public. Customer service is number one and you're gonna see here. You're -- the professionalism and I wouldn't doubt it. Every firefighter walked out that door with a sense of have belonged to something good and I'm doing something good for the citizens job. And they know it's their job. But you know personally. I'd like to make it. Good and I'm I'm glad to be a part of this department. You just did wrong and make sure that states that don't edit that out its its support. So. What some of the training that you wanna recommend. They haven't seen what you see -- some things you -- and heavy rescue. Hello how are you gonna you're gonna we gonna do it differently can improve. As what you we've got us thinking -- with -- new hires and. Real quick -- laugh at this one. July. 2011. Was supposed to be asking. Me. There's -- -- in this series and I noticed that it I think I think we're gonna write you off but yeah. -- that we've hit. You covered that. I. Maintaining what we've been -- as -- big thing -- this program. That's something cheap -- Kansas. Years ago. And -- -- -- -- -- when I came and I got the opportunity jump in with chief Perkins and start. Adding my ideas that was internship also what He wasn't cool. -- march or so what eight months ago. Six months ago if if that -- He just He recently got -- he's been doing the job of deputy chief. Says probably December so. But -- when He got promoted to deputy chiefs would open up the other currencies. Position -- -- you got there and hours and now we get tight tight his ideas in and take it. The next step but I really think focusing on cut like our history wall and has -- the first things we do with burning cars is. This -- the history this department. You you you -- us. That we didn't come looking for you we hired you we want you you chose us for reasons now understands. The history of our apartment. Why we do things you know not just what we -- a triple wired world. On our attack tells why do we is that why does that work for us any in the history of -- apartment for little things. Joplin threat after a hundred the other Joplin threat why do we have -- -- -- you know. And for for -- 130 years almost since 1882. We've been here we've been doing this there's been somebody here you're now part of that. And this -- what we expected and the very first day as a lot of that its history. This meeting with the -- is getting their expectations. Before we even start getting into how we do things. So calm and really -- -- getting into the this is what expect of you this how -- discipline that's how we work our ranks. Little things like every morning coming man. Clean in the station election making sure your trucks ready to go little things like that and still. I believe of discipline that I mean in the military's column of this for hundreds of years. Little things instill discipline. And discipline people become disciplined and people and the people around that we can disciplined. -- With that they can gain knowledge. They're not -- sitting in her acquire all the way. They're reading. -- reading fire engineering or whatever magazine maybe -- -- mall yep the the and on line doing things like that that's -- -- we still. Being a student of the job. You can have the arguments about what a professional but when it comes right down to this is what we tell a professional as a student of the job. When you look at doctors. -- -- -- engineers their costs we have learned -- correct this isn't a job company and you sit there for wake academy. And -- I -- crucial here and it costs -- our. It's essentially say that too late because we've what we've discovered after extensive research that all the big things. Made up questions about -- -- plus yeah exactly there's nothing is just suddenly a big thing you know it you went through the largest tornado. Most devastating tornado as you know states. And your success is predicated on the fact that every single -- your people knew how to do everything. Right and world focused and kept. Going from one task for the next next to tell me how you handle the gas emergencies because those most of -- and scariest. Well. It's -- DOC standpoint. We had. He represented. Which was Roger Ayers -- -- -- G. Who also showed up in the emergency -- -- we talked with him we set him with a radio for direct communications. With this -- -- hand. Every emergency that was reported was relayed to him for him -- his -- but of course they were overwhelmed. Immediately. Past that point we have other crews working yet mass -- here. -- multiple patients here trick victims. We literally also rose you know relied some. Since this key -- -- citizen volunteers. To go out double -- make sure that was actually ghastly well He should. To confirm it because He got -- and especially -- 8000 emergency simultaneous. This -- absolutely had to get. Watson won the interviews on somewhere Willie Geist talked about it this wasn't one incident is is 8000 each person -- their incidence. Every hurt person is another is every house is another answer -- every gas leaks. And it's every down telephone cable and and you also have to prioritize content. I'd see the nice thing. About the tornado comes through wallet wallet out when a gas leaks everywhere also shuttle mission sports well good. So -- the major gas -- or major concern. The gas company and we we can prioritize fields lately you know what it's constantly -- that major -- there we need somebody here. We we found we actually -- in that parking. But apart of that reporting system. There's a -- here already. And doesn't -- yet please shut off when you said -- all field if tomorrow. You know this is killing somebody is his only immediate threat. -- okay. We need to that later in the week called in from the field to commandments -- -- -- -- ghastly here and these guys to see what is them -- them taking notes and and things like that -- ghastly 2223 Moffett whatever may be. Right now have organized. We're able to do so and then. -- -- that unified command have a -- representatives from empire electric or gas energy. These are American water -- -- police department in this have everybody in there. You know. Millions as much as -- of us. Make cuts it has its purpose of the principles of -- you work all of that -- just you know. I think you need to be as first minute as you possibly that you need to be as eloquent and -- As you possibly can I think we need to understand. Level -- and fires in the blue card system or whatever they're doing million that's what is a great system. And then everything. Builds on that you know -- I don't understand that if you can't. Operated -- type one incident. Then -- really not any good to me yet through all operate at the fours and fives and ones and twos just as well. Even if you don't understand all the paperwork as long as you understand that principle of it. That this is what I need to do to make this work you can make it work even if it's not exactly how they haven't in the plan. We can make it work is like a man in me in -- there's paperwork to tuberculosis and was put those type -- -- it would help with that -- -- and come in and they got the experts that -- now. -- you out there -- as -- -- you got the basic parameters set up and you you. Have seen the paperwork you you've been through the the courses that you and you and you know how it relates to it because getting logistics. For an event this large. And after after. 24 hours it's gonna be daunting if you haven't -- and a presidential visit did you get to meet. President we. I did not I was actually doing -- -- Georgia analysts say. In charge of operations yes that's important I mean the He comes and people need to know that -- That and they also Israel and they are very good about trying to make is minimal impact on house doesn't care. And which is great. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We knew. That update team -- Southwest its support team and that we know there. Within two hours it's. We're talking logistics planning everything. This machine with what we need air force. The person is here to. Here's an. -- you would have taken over. They tell us everything they need. Those who. Knows -- Did you well if you look at your EEOC now you've been through. A major super major event in you can burn the CE credits. Would you change the set up -- anyway have you looked into this worked really well -- that works so a look at the annexes in the right place of -- with a phone set up correctly and all that good stuff to do that work it didn't work the way you thought it was gonna work. I get really did -- -- for. Something of this magnitude for something that. -- It worked as well as you could hope -- would Alaska it was clearly. Right across the table three feet away was public works. Who had had access to all the heavy equipment across the table to it to them right in front of us was law enforcement any -- Moment we -- an issue of -- -- we all have them take care of that issue we had Red Cross -- -- and them. Health that we had also -- behind us. And I know for Joplin you have great communications and you guys have great relationships -- with your four. -- a better -- sister cities the folks in Branson the folks in Springfield and you foresees that created kind of -- the super plan there -- -- and mass triage and all that good stuff which is fantastic because those relationships. Trading is great relationships are greater. No no -- the guy that. Hate Tommy you know bring us or Britain and so it's not come play we need -- Talk about. Of the communications just for second if you will because I know that we're still battling with that the fire service were still struggling with. My radio can't talk to your radio -- I'm on this frequency -- on that frequency. And we did have some of that and it helped that we have we have the building new cross -- Peters do patches are dispatching all last that they bring in one of those. Select from Africa they're called they have a machine am basically machine can -- everybody and you've given your radio when it. You get one of everybody's radios that can make more work I don't remember we did their adult literacy and probably can -- -- out -- High school command post. For briefed hasn't it hasn't -- has yeah I know exactly what you're talking about you'll just take the radio pulpit in there and it in the ties everybody together. Now which is amazing technology now that you -- why we can't just all have one of -- -- you know our. It gives -- the -- Why. Imagine that. Which has argued in order hours. So we didn't do anything differently -- trading on board free to leave your guys you two guys. -- Obviously. It's cancer. Right now fired here. -- -- And can't do everything that we have to get it on Paper get. Everyone's story everyone what they were doing similar what you're doing with us here so we want our story we're in the process of putting all that together putting -- Paper. We'd like to get it on record and then from that point we're going to be able to make accurate measurements. Scene where we need to -- -- training gaps that we need to. To pursue. You know we still have to have have a chance do an after action reviews the moment. Because you know why it goes on in its -- things when it rains it worse. You after the tornado Weaver forty some thousand or square foot building. Had a it's as we arrived -- through the room. In the midst of that we had in the middle -- literally in the middle this fire had a break kind of lose to go rescue a volunteer. Album well. The -- -- -- well. We had debris far the birds. Point 23 houses worth of piled up debris. So we secondary that's just to slow downs and an after action review yet it is the -- keep the hits keep go keep won't. We you know what I saw I was out there was watch and that the crews working with their hand tools. You know and and -- we have structural. Because that's what we are primarily structural firefighters. But when you think about it use of levers subprime bars. Knowing how to make purchase points and how to use you know criminal properly -- to get an advantage. And I can see a whole. New realm of familiar -- station. About about that lets -- Francisco guys spend. A huge amount of time in their training process about how to operate. With lovers and pulleys and there. Because -- in San Francisco and they know sooner or later but they have to do it by hand. That's less well things I can't -- artists we've been trying to install on their kids is. That they start off we start off really base. You know here's the tools we use here's how to use. By the time they get out and -- things that we stressed to -- is. We -- should understand the principles. You should understand that how it works this way this way in this -- so that yeah we use -- how in the opener of the war. And we know how to do that but at the same time -- -- same principles. In a structural collapse is like you talk about use -- Basic cancels understand the concept of how those tools -- used and how can I take this tool in -- in this scenario. It's those little really basic things not just -- how -- just broken in the war. How organs -- -- tool what's. Purchase point cool things like that. And recognize and I can use this tool to do this as it goes right now what we're talking earlier -- out of the very basic level. And -- you know instilling -- of these guys is very basic things here's the principles not just pop it in their twist this is. Why -- is doing us this election isn't. -- you have to have your own knife in your own flyers in your own chalk and all the stuff that you all your own rope from nowhere weathering all stuff that you put your pockets. It's not there. For show it's there to help walk and I use it for a walk up. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Here's the task I gotta do you -- -- this. And it and make this easier or did it this way -- this man we start seeing them. Think for themselves usable boom in basic tools we saw you guys we're really overwhelming when -- -- -- you -- that whether you vote their shoulders and another guy. Brian up -- -- news. It was it was great to see it was a really great that's so what is what is Joplin you right now what would what would -- you guys. He desired but you should think that. It. Actually three you've got one -- the plans and hit enter and minority -- -- treat diseases have more -- out there they can get. Training and easier electronically some stuff like hopefully the apple corporation's. I mean. That's -- that's a hard question -- you can think of what -- That would be great to have until some money asks. You want until some races so it's like look at -- -- your birthday yeah. That they -- they -- your birthday. New -- would have been nice. I mean we talked yesterday as part -- -- -- -- -- They fired one -- big manufacturing ports. It's something we did it just as it is tractor tractor trickery caught fire at the welding jobs. Rightfully -- you know General Mills played so it's a pretty big so thankfully it pops up to what was -- far out buildings but revelation. -- they're talking about and this is we use positive pressure. Even on our initial tax. And trying to figure out we just recently. Three months ago particularly -- new for General Mills -- For -- -- -- walks towards more because we've had fires box stores as a problem week where we run it. Those and the use those mobile -- popped up as like. We use of those and looking back at times we couldn't use what I was doing a lot of great work with those Chicago Chicago bill lot of great work. A lot of overseas -- -- some -- uses them. In the high rise fires in pressure as those stairwells. Like that and even. Yulia missed signals on one thing what is -- -- -- -- have a fourth of July thing werder. Reaching those hundred degree temperatures things like that. -- The other point just potential and things like that is most think this concept of what we Jesus calls and I -- -- -- -- That -- think we've always been -- that is we can now adapt things that those principles. And make it work what we need to work more. Well I think I think it. What I think and it. For what it's worth from watching what I saw out there -- one. Was that you've got squarely people you've got great leadership you got an incredible community. People have asked me you haven't been here you know anything -- it's absolutely gonna survive. I think that area town is gonna look somewhat different. You know it's it's you're never gonna recapture that picturesque old 1950s. Neighborhood look it'll have moved more modern. Structures. But it's gonna come back -- mean it's just too pretty place. You know this that this is not a dagger through the heart of golf this is -- vibrant community. A lot of folks don't really understand how. Vibrant job quotas because at night it's 50000 people we say 50000 in the daytime it's 200000. That you two guys both -- -- ritual of -- in the theater cities and and -- has a tremendous. Importance to the route to the Oklahoma Arkansas. And Missouri economies and it's gonna continue to. You know it's only ten miles across the Oklahoma border and Arkansas borders what thirty. 3040 yes that's a stimulus and often -- I was going to jail or about an hour from everything -- for expert for over route from northwest Arkansas. But -- two -- from Tulsa and Kansas City. We we get walls outside places. Don't even as a kid growing up an hour from here we always -- -- job. -- of the closest big city to us and we get along that -- -- that is now. And so beautiful city insisted it's absolutely gorgeous city and it still is people need to know that joblessness still beautiful. Place to come and visit them. -- -- A third of its been devastated. Her Home Depot is just about back. When -- -- my pants. Pocket just couple days ago they have the foundation clean now. That the Walgreens right in front of it all -- yeah we're also. Yeah agrees I would be surprised if shelves -- they. You know today and that's -- that I didn't even I forgot there's Walgreens here it's it's -- -- six sets right in front. Yeah and it's it -- and it -- six months. -- -- When Catherine walker he's got over that whole areas probably tend to be ten years old right I mean that that whole area is all that. -- -- shopping centers up there in the big sports place and and academy camp and the sports. News it's been built since I've been here at least for the last 345 years. Home Depot's pretty news -- talking about two. You know we talk about usually go to collapse -- personally it's one type ability. You guys went everything from type one. All the way to go you know 1930. In you know dealing with a different about the tilt up constructions like Home Depot will be. Walk with winds -- won't friends for us what -- more. The you know the ordinary construction like a wal greens the residential construction and we. A little bit here -- and -- -- now -- witnessed. Him do everything. -- anything directly in the path is. -- -- you know look for all of. You know as a as a training publication. FDIC and -- engineering. Listen to you two guys talk we confirms everything we believe that the main interest in the fire service -- trading. Because -- its training that got you through May 22 23 and 24 at. It wasn't you know dedication which is important passion all -- of the good stuff. It all falls back and we left about this -- -- -- it -- based on your tree. And you can never. -- that there were some good friends my own department. But -- runs informed dikes was saying is getting complaints from those guys because they weren't doing too much training. Can on this perfection. -- this option I know because when you look at something like this you've got the structure fires do we had to deal. -- -- -- firefighter trainees in your rescue -- and -- ancestry -- -- patient and -- that you that you're asking people cars we have to waste that nobody ever imagine yeah eight cars on top of course -- -- on top of room restaurant bill raptors injuries I mean yeah is the ultimate let's take everything we do you. Hazmat fire EMS and rescue and lets us. Roll the dice and throw across town you -- -- -- every little thing. And you would have thought that someone you know or some of the fire -- -- would have been overwhelmed. When they first stepped out solve this but I didn't have any of -- they went to each call they want to each incident they were assigned to they cleared it. -- so we saw earlier you're you're exactly the professionalism was unbelievable. Just the level of integrity level of just focused dedication and discipline. These people. It was a great example -- is a great book out again people utter lover was delta force guy has called the mission the men and me. And that's what you saw here it was the mission it was try to save as many -- we could say it. Try to -- which orders we could restore. Norton for the citizens of Joplin. Then it was taking care of the man and that's what you two guys were doing and chief purpose was doing. You know and that's what was going on there. And and then it was about you you when you talk about your boss' house is gone. His family's living in his office and yet he's right there who -- and -- it. They're making two it's little things you don't even realize why afterward he's more concerned about you all yeah. Then than anything tells us and a -- we're we're out there making sure the guys -- -- -- Tuesday night you know war. I haven't had them like a sleepy you guys have -- office submission -- man than me because it was it was truly what. They're the great moments in America but surrounded by trash Pearl Harbor eleven. And we have 22 job where. -- men and women like yourselves stepped up and said. -- communities. And here also and you want. You know but if you do if you if you want to look at an example -- American exceptional as a thank you said there was. You know and it's gonna continue to be and that's why it I think that the downside for -- -- in fifty years and a lot more Joplin. There because people are gonna wanna come and live with this kind of people people don't want you part of this kinda. This kind of environment this is this is the -- -- you guys were -- strong and -- still be strong. On behalf of all the firefighters out there. We're we're just so proud have guys like you'd be in such -- shining example. What real professionalism was all about and doesn't mean if you career -- volunteer. Everybody out there was a real professional. And they came from war we just want to thank you Mike for -- when we are busy already got their website and jawbone with. -- firemen we really appreciate want to get your story out there. Scotty. You know they couldn't gotten better guy in here you fit right -- here you wouldn't want born and raised it is -- Your just your perfect for. For job. You know they when I first came in I don't know that's have a nickname type thing he's gonna kill me for this. -- Frankfurt. So throughout the tires incidents. Polls show Crenshaw it's the training twins -- the fact that you can look like locusts yet. And one team. We gotta say we -- impairment go on -- We'll leave we'll leave that in secret so we have the -- -- mission we keep there. That's terrible organized. Thanks again for spend some time this would sure appreciate it and if there's anything we can do for you please reach let us know what is actually out there. Hopefully we get to see -- that the -- of Cleveland that is yes. It.

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