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Are You a Survivor?

Fri, 26 Aug 2011|

Battalion Chief John Salka of the FDNY talks about current fire service issues in his keynote to FDIC Online 2011.


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Welcome to FDIC online. I'm John talk about a -- -- for the New York fire department an instructor at the FBI actually. And here today to talk via about program called argue -- Or -- a program I put together and I've been teaching all over the country at the actually and other places. And it's about firefighters and how they can stay alive. That the program was originally conceived by shuttle all the folks that met in my travels around the country that the FBI actually. And we decided to put together as a program and and delivered to firefighters from coastal coast and what it is is it's it's a look at it's an analysis. The things had to go through -- -- at things that are happening to firefighters' bodies when they get in to panic and distrustful situations. The title of the program Ali was saliva is exactly what it it's a question -- you -- -- some -- is survived dramatic deadly situation is. And others do not we'll talk about a couple of issues here we're gonna talk about a couple of subjects. That affect your ability to survive a dramatic situation. At a fire and emergency. Who witnessed what we're talking about muscle memory for -- you that that definitely with a time muscle memory is very it's an aspect. Of it's actually training and and and that it really -- -- -- while working FDIC and FDIC outline because training is very important to firefighters and what muscle memory users. It's the ability. Our viewers a firefighter. To perform properly under stressful conditions. Let me give me an example. A firefighters today in a -- situation making a search and rescue when a smoky building. Suddenly -- become disoriented. Shot late He stuck -- -- audience suddenly is face when He distrustful situation now obviously. Some. Tactics have to be performed at this point but I was about to have certain skills and abilities to get themselves out of trouble well. If muscle memory is is properly in place if you've been trained properly and that's what muscle memory -- is that it's a training function if -- -- -- right. Even if you're packing evening if your quote unquote losing your mind. You should be able to all right into the right regiment and perform the skills what you need to get out. For example it got like training program that we taught that the actually for many years to trot out -- -- -- through walls how to drive out windows -- first not a lot of how to keep themselves oriented in a room and and slide out on a rope. All of those skills all of those abilities are -- tactics that you probably going to be performing in a distrustful situation. If you haven't been -- right. If you haven't been trained to the level -- muscle memory you may not be able to performed a lifesaving skills when the time comes when you read it when of this situation so. -- muscle memory as it is it's the repetitive. -- repetition. Skills and abilities that firefighters -- perform and learn and practice and -- practice that enables them to have that sort of cemented -- -- that subconscious so -- out what you get lost. Now when you start running -- on at now what is a potential -- to collapse. You can sort of just revert into. Automatic pilot and stop performing your skills this is -- learned with police working with military folks all people orca that bush or possibly that Leo kind of conditions so for example -- byproduct where -- trainer nutrients from firefighters. -- you're training them on. And entitlement procedures. -- -- -- going to topple going to -- of a building training building and you have something set up so they get title -- what they first get title -- the five I should stop -- column titled. And they probably has a couple of quick fixes a couple of quick things that He can do to to get out of his predicament. Well the first one -- two quick fixes don't work the fire -- probably gonna have to revert to. Transmitting a May Day call -- command like no he's having trouble. He's not given copies buckling down and die but -- -- let them always having trouble so they can you know also some assistance to -- the -- -- but He can still trying get out of that this situation now when you're trading up five how to do this if you -- look okay you give -- May Day right about now made -- -- -- -- they're on the right now let's get back to get out of this entitlement if you just sort of blow through that. That may -- section of that entitlement drill there's a great chance that the five final when He does actually get a title that a -- situation. Is gonna do the same thing. He's gonna just blow through what what you may actually just forget to do it all together -- the muscle memory practiced on the muscle memory element of training is to put. -- the proper sequences -- the proper components are they training evolution. In net and not to leave stuff out on a train myself and -- you that a instructors or trainers you know supply -- Time limitations sometime you have tropical -- -- coming up personnel limitations and you're trying to get all the trading in on that one -- -- are about to our training really it's up. Don't pull stuff out don't pull important components of an evolution out to try to get the whole evolution done because what you're doing -- you're training your you firefighters are properly they're gonna have. And improper sequence. Embedded into their memory and when the time comes at their -- something other other hazardous conditions or under a panic situation there's a very good likelihood that the marketable won't things properly. -- A police story do you what we're we're firefighters but -- stories -- a great example of this muscle memory. There was a police also want toddlers engaged in a yet in a situation where -- were prep work criminal. Got the drop on the topic at the Pentagon to the cops had accomplished -- uniformity -- you know. Nobody could do to put his hands up about actually all the rest of the cops got there and swat team and and they rushed get a copy got out of it on injured -- -- was pretty upset by the fact that that somebody with a -- was able to hold them hostage and He couldn't. Couldn't make it even knew we couldn't get out of himself. Well we -- as -- -- looked it up they researchers -- in the yet the FBI academy and a police academy they found a couple of maneuvers that they could do a couple of on thrust him and leg kicks that they can. Get out of a situation like -- -- -- -- practicing this police officers ought to stop practicing it regularly in the station house -- getting dressed of one pot will come up get a guy and he'll push to get to the Packers -- say hey I got to what it put your hands up and and they would they would do that this deal that would practice a skill that would do beyond swing and -- -- And it would get out they've got to the point where they developed. You know and at that put together a couple wouldn't on to a couple of plastic on -- I actually have -- -- -- practice -- each other and to these guys. Any time one of the plotters would go to the other plot or put it on tobacco and He would quickly turn around to the lake swing and the opera and and -- the -- Very quickly multiply. Would -- have a second. He -- the -- back very quickly tell you do it again do it again do it again and they would do all the time -- abroad wouldn't go home one guy -- some local option at the computer it might work on my computer. Come up to be put the -- to my head tell me you know put your hands up. At a cop would go through his motions He would do the opera that elects William boldly take that would -- -- -- headed back to very quickly tellem. You don't do it again -- worked out really well and this one -- About a Yelena and that a permit same exact situation where where a perpetrate a how to talk to which had. The -- didn't even have to think about emotional memories -- event He practiced it stinks so many times He didn't have to think she what do I do not only do the on the would two with a blue light. He wanted to the -- -- Quickly -- department trying to grab the -- from him in less than 12. And you know what He did with the -- He handed it back to. Because every time that -- police -- trained with his partner with a -- home. He always -- -- -- at the end of the at the end of the evolution and that's what He did that great when it when He had -- face it for -- under a panic situation that's why I'm talking to you about -- -- saliva. If you practice and train properly for the leaders of the trainers if you're trading your fire -- it properly. Trained and completely -- and what every. Evolution every part of the W -- every element of the evolution intact even if it takes a little bit long but even if it seems like -- He uninteresting part of it. Make sure you'd you'd be totally revolutions to -- -- completely so when they do looked an awful but in a real life situation. Is gonna come up properly. Some other research that was done on the books that I read what what are -- -- arrive -- together. Related to hikers and hunters -- that did that work and play and hunt. You know out in the wilderness out awards on trails and things of that nature and and and the folks that wrote the books that I read. Start talking about -- -- hikers and outdoorsman that have been discovered. Lost but what to -- -- awards are hikers the woods and it's turned around suddenly he's out there for six or eight dollars maybe even into into the darkness of night when He planned -- going -- one -- -- -- of these folks are located in and that and that some some things were discovered -- -- when they're looking for and locating. People -- lost and what's number one for some reason humans after they become lost -- ten minutes lost guys. Lost like twenty minutes thirty minutes an hour two hours. -- folks really get lost and woods for some reason humans people. Start to run. We're not quite sure why but they ought to run through the what sort of find hunters hikers at a loss for half a day or a day there Ross backed up from running through branches they also -- -- -- -- Just wrote a technical fault the first thing they find one that would as a missing that is the Hutton a -- Maybe it's because they're exerting themselves while they're running they thought the -- -- not taken a close ups and actually start. They find a trail -- Another thing that happens when people get lost out awards and again this is -- -- -- situation -- They sought to forget -- that was several examples in the book out. A hiker out what it's going up for two or three -- -- has -- awards for for a day and a half when they find this -- He he's OK physically he's dehydrated really dehydrated he's a little bit scratched up. He he's a little -- cold. And and -- wondering why dehydrated because they look at his backpack. And he's got a gallon -- -- with a -- -- -- hiker that was not awards He became so packed. That He forgot He had warmer -- So we can apply all of these questions we've learned what hikers we can apply lessons that we -- the police officers third story is navy pilots -- landing on aircraft carriers. Pilots -- landing on airports that are moving float -- the ocean sometimes they do it at night. Some of the real strict rules for navy pilots aren't you have to just think -- -- scenario. Just go through a landing scenario don't think about anything else -- about what is going to be like -- -- land don't think about what you gonna do what you get on that. -- if you think about anything even just one item outside of -- landing scenario. You hit the back of the aircraft carrier and you don't make it onto the back shall shall we take these losses that -- line from. From folks like that and we were gonna apply that and we we do apply them to training fire service. Personnel. When you train -- people make sure you train completely make sure you -- immoral or the pop elements of the evolution that you don't -- Now another important element of this that you -- remember as if -- to be realistic. Shall -- here we -- again I talked earlier about training a firefighter whose and an entitlement situation. They could be trading firefighters who lost a disoriented aside. And occupancy it could be tricked by about how to cut a roof does not to be so vital topic to be any tactical evolution that's your problem when you trained firefighters. Not only -- remember -- muscle memory but you -- -- -- it to -- eventually. Escalate to training. Too realistic conditions so obviously the first time that you're training firefighters let's use I -- BA familiarity. Wearing your CBH up that you put on every run -- something that's gonna keep you alive -- hostile atmosphere is usually very from a -- how to properly -- how to properly -- and take it off. How long your -- gonna last. And of course you should be familiar with the emergency procedures SE BA question procedures there's basically two of them the quick release -- get this thing off if you title -- And to reduce profiles like the mask around next the -- got to get to a -- opening that you couldn't couldn't get through with a bottle in -- back. Well teaching those two evolution is there's several steps that have to be taken a flat -- to perform properly and you generally spot maybe standing in ramadi apparatus flaw wolf standing around a circle looking at each other put your message beyond that there's nobody -- we good. A right to this Lucy right shall -- Put chip put your right hand on -- wake -- rotate the -- -- out. Whatever series of steps is that you do you do it in a in a lighted well heated. Comfortable area. Well let nobody gets that are from -- night of OK I don't Munis. Now we get a body on Andy's book that actually scenario and from the start tumbled almost okay that's probably appropriate piece design that the next time you do it with property pieces on how -- -- -- you have a little bit before you don't have in the land down on the ground face down. On air was -- face -- to when it which is. Very likely. Situation get a B and if they actually have -- perform at -- -- -- once we get that this is still just make one of the -- once we get nobody took it to sort of maximized and and get back down solemnly that wanted to take him out to the training bill. Or -- to the training academy I -- to put -- into maybe some -- -- some small maybe there's some sound maybe there's some radio transmissions or some sort of running what's of people sort of yelling and screaming about. Urgent situations that are going on you you got to maximize the -- which which you can't train people and in an exhibition firehouse. On and -- smooth concrete floor. Again and get a -- down and then expect comfortable format same skill. On on the floor but make it wouldn't building. That's that's a thousand degrees would heavy smoke and -- -- firefighters are out of a screaming and yelling about you know bail out on -- -- but that's another. Realism a fact that you have to head. But -- attract. Not -- very interesting thing actually this is one of the things that first caught my attention. In this whole -- Salina subject as. I was on a conference out of state conference doing a presentation. And I won't way to -- time off to to make the presentation I was reading through the the organization that ran it was a chiefs association somewhere they have a local magazine or newsletter there are reading an article by a Fella. About five partial model I do a lot of -- -- survival training held on for a long time and I'm bringing this article and the firefighters talking about. Firefighters but not just by applies humans in general whole or apply it to tell us you'll get five bars to get panicked and and we've -- probably been in the situation when we got -- may be a -- for a little while maybe that He saw something happened maybe is not a model on -- -- if you get to a -- situation that raises your heart rate. Don't nobody had to your medical professional -- -- heart rate gets up to about a 17580. Beats a minute because of -- Now we can all get on a treadmill and get a heart rate of 280 but the effects are about the same it will not happen if you're on a treadmill. But if -- -- globally even go to a training evolution and you start to panic if you -- to get physically upset. And mentally distressed about something that's going on and if -- heart rate reaches back. That cut off of -- 17580. I read in the article I the read it again. To believe it. -- can't. Hear. You actually start to lose you hear it. Now now when I read this for the first published a study mistake I read it again and sure enough the that the -- -- -- right and He was basing his. Findings of the stuff that He was writing and magazine based on some of the folks. Investigations that they have done and research. Turns out because the physiological response. As a human whether it's a human in the woods who -- -- a tiger may be a hundred years ago. But it's -- a police officer on the beat encountered a -- come out of personal order to five you being distressed about being disoriented or running low on air inside a burning building if you distressed. To the to the point that your heart rate gets to about a 180 beat a minute you Gannett. -- a very difficult time hearing. In addition. Not not a single problem in addition. You'll you'll feel the vision dramatically -- they don't tell us that the -- that attacked another police stored that the past what police officers who weren't -- doubts. Whoever it up either sort of -- shot by a perpetrate a criminal that approach them from the side during the shoot -- -- -- was determined -- the police -- probably didn't hear anything because of his hearing. When it was was negatively affected by his panic and it's -- division from being normally out here was narrowed down to just that Elaine -- arrow in front of him and He actually didn't see. The other the other guy come on what they've -- that don't. And we can expect the same results to firefighters when you get lost -- a building when you get disoriented. When you start to panic because you think -- -- -- -- one area where you become trapped or entitled beat. Those same things can happen you know saint physiological changes can happen to you and you can end up having people call you wanna radio and I've got some. -- practicality recession I've looked -- two spot financially distressed. -- -- -- -- -- at the scene of a client who didn't answer radio transmissions and they find a radio perfectly well but the radios in good shape. The radio on a proper channel the -- -- a good battery what did the -- -- Well this might be the answer -- the answer might be at the plot by the bushel panicked at the point whether -- -- people calling him on the radio to see if He needed assistance. He may not even heard him. All of these elements. -- volume which bought this muscle memory. And Andy's physiological changes that happened to you when your. Getting it to the couple situations are all very important for us -- him -- but it's important for all of us as firefighters have offices all of us the -- -- burning buildings all of us that. How to dangerous situations whether it be -- a five building collapse situations -- automobile -- Any type of situation but trainers and particularly those of you that are trainers will be -- about -- county instructors you might just be a trade off to -- a local small one station -- -- somewhere you're still the guy you're still trying to you'll still the one it's. That's that's tasked with getting a firefighters up and running. Be able to do the job. Stay safe. Come home from every run all right so these are things we wanna think about all the survivors is is a big program -- insists it's a fairly new concept. There's not a lot of training programs -- delicate. I actually -- -- seen another one. And the reason I put together was because I talked to collect this information from these other sources and the couple presentations that we've done on -- so far different areas have been very well received people particularly Tran is -- plug a look at this. And modify every -- myself over the years that I. Probably made some training -- and excluding oral bidding. Boring -- not very interesting parts of an evolution because I wanted to get through the important -- about. Would it be this entitlement obviously BA emergency procedures or or bailing out -- window for you know for survival skill so it's important for all the proper -- Particularly important but for those of you that are instructors are training offices. Big departments. Little departments. Remember muscle memory go research it go look it up global look the information is out there there's a lot of -- up -- -- -- -- not written for firefighters although some do address. You don't fire officers and chief Walters and company officers and that decisions that we make and the things that -- going -- -- -- or run into dangerous or dramatic. Or deadly situations. But it's very portrait to consider this new element of survival that's all you survive a question. Are you -- viva. We we need to pay attention to that included into all of -- training evolution is make sure we do. Awful complete evolution is make shall we -- are solutions to real life conditions real -- fire -- feel like He conditions. And provide the proper trade through -- plot that is that they need to survive the next five that they go to and stay safe out there like you.

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